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Bill: UHD I: "Statement on the State Religion"
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4463
Description[?]:
| The State Religion of Kanjor shall hereby be "L'Eglise Aurorien patriarcal de Kanjor, Rite de le theognostique " (Aurorian Patriarchal Church of Kanjor, Theognosian Rite). Article I: The Church is independent of State control but serves as a symbol of Kanjorien Hosian faith. Article II: The collection of funds for the remuneration of religious ministers and officials by the State is hereby regulated and enforced by "La Religion de l'État Comité Régulateur" (State Religion Regulatory Committee). The Committee is hereby chosen from members of the National Catholic Ministry as well as "L'Organisation Nationale de Paroissiens" (National Organization of Parishioners). The Minister Committee members are hereby chosen and appointed with recommendation and cooperation of His Holiness the Aurorian Arch-Patriarch Angelicus I. Article III: The Church is intended to act primarily as a symbol of the nation as a statement of Aurorian Patriarchal, Theognosian Rite faith. Article VI: Membership and participation of the individual in the Aurorian Patriarchal Church of Kanjor, Theognosian Rite, which is is voluntary for all within the defined borders of Kanjor. The right of the people to worship their religion freely, as defined by local or national law, shall not be infringed. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: Any form of religion is banned.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:47:26, September 30, 2018 CET | From |  Parti Socialiste Dèmocratique (PSD) | To | Debating the UHD I: "Statement on the State Religion" |
| Message | This goes against the secular values of our great nation. Having a state religion leads to eventual religious tension and lack of the freedom to believe, even though it is enshrined in our nation’s law. The PSD can easily see this bill being the start of a religiously motivated legislative agenda by the UHD and cannot support it. |
| Date | 17:34:25, September 30, 2018 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the UHD I: "Statement on the State Religion" |
| Message | Our agenda is easily viewable (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=582301), we keep no secrets. Within our agenda, we fail to see how legally recognizing our religious traditions will harm anyone. They are free to believe or not believe, worship or not worship as they see fit. See: "Article VI: Membership and participation of the individual in the Aurorian Patriarchal Church of Kanjor, Theognosian Rite, which is is VOLUNTARY for all within the defined borders of Kanjor. The right of the people to worship their religion freely, as defined by local or national law, shall not be infringed." It is voluntary. This law merely protects and establishes the importance of the Church within and throughout Kanjor. Your distaste is understandable. Metzists frequently misunderstand the importance of culture as they believe solely in destroying that which took centuries to build. Likewise, Metzists doctrine doesn't take culture into consideration as people are (apparently) nothing more than vessels for economic output and consumption. Silly Metzists, there is more to life than making widgets. Olivie Eveline Guichard UHD |
| Date | 23:15:22, September 30, 2018 CET | From | Parti Socialiste Dèmocratique (PSD) | To | Debating the UHD I: "Statement on the State Religion" |
| Message | Culture is crucial for a civilisation, but religion, though it is a subset of culture, is not something our government should enshrine within itself. We can’t allow religion to be considered the most important part of our culture and therefore considered as such. People are individuals and of those, many don’t follow the faith that would become our state religion. What kind of implications for public officials and others could this have in the future? Sincerely, Jacques Thomas-Germain PSD |
| Date | 05:14:13, October 01, 2018 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the UHD I: "Statement on the State Religion" |
| Message | M. Thomas-Germain, Religion is not the most important piece of religion but it is important and the state is enshrining this important piece of culture with its officialdom. This law is voluntary. No one is forced into any religion. Many nations have state churches. What are the implications for public officials? ... That they may have faith in a higher power. What is the fear therein? That they may believe their actions have consequences both on Terra and outside of it? Such fears of of a VOLUNTARY state religion are unfounded. "Laïcité" simply creates a taboo subject out of faith; it is a negative freedom, the right to NOT be exposed to something or the right NOT to be able to express oneself - How is that not censorship? Kanjor does not have a policy of "laïcité" - never has and hopefully it never will. Olivie Eveline Guichard UHD (OOC: Kanjor is NOT France ... it is its own place.) |
| Date | 05:20:00, October 01, 2018 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the UHD I: "Statement on the State Religion" |
| Message | *Religion is not the most important piece of CULTURE OOC: oops. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 43 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 44 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 13 |
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