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Bill: OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*

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Submitted by[?]: ่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 4496

Description[?]:

Hi folks. This is a discussion that I would be happy to have on discord, though I feel it's good to write out here to fully form my thoughts. After reading, feel free to leave comments here, or open a discussion on the discord.

A while ago (about a year now?) myself and the players at the time renamed about 35% of the cities in Indrala. I think we need to continue for a number of reasons.

(1) -zhou Cities

This was one of the catalysts for the original renaming; at the time around 90% of the cities were some form of syllable-zhou (i.e. Kaizhou, Beizhou, etc.). This obviously felt a bit repetitive, but also was strange in a Chinese language sense; the suffix -zhou means "province." In fact, you'll notice that the character ๅทž (zhou) used for our provinces is the same that is in the city of Guozhou, ๆžœๆดฒๅธ‚. Thus, it is odd that every province had the majority of its cities with this ending.

While it may make sense in some instances for the -zhou suffix to be used, I think it was and continues to be over used. Thus, I think it would be good to develop more creative names for the following cities which have very limited/no RP background:

(1.1) Jiaozhi
- Beizhou

(1.2) Anle
- Shuzhou (very odd, considering it's in Anle Province, but that the name translates directly to Shu Province...)

(1.3) Han
- Tianzhou
- Guozhou

(1.4) Min
- Mazhou
- Dongzhou (I recommend this one specifically be renamed Dongjing...)

(2) Weird Names

These are names which I feel are culturally/linguistically/geographically odd.

(2.1) Anle
- Dongjing (the name translates as "Eastern Capital" except that it is located in the west, and in a Province that has a different capital; plus this city has literally no RP history. Due to its geographic meaning, I think it would make sense to move it to Min)
- Shuzhou, again

(2.2) Shu
- Nandu (I just think it's an odd name that has more SE Asian connotations to me? Thoughts?)
- Beihei (Name translates as "North-river" I think, which doesn't make a lot of sense given where it is)

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date04:16:13, October 09, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessagePotential alternative names (though Chinese is not at all my strong suit):

(1) Guozhou, Han

(1.a) Guozhou = Donghai (literal: "east + sea," literary: "east of the sea")
- Name would reference that the city lays west of the South Indrala Sea
- Too many "Dong" cities?

(1.b) Guozhou = Qinghe (literal: "blue-green + river")
- Referencing the river that empties into the South Indrala Sea through Guozhou

(2) Nandu, Shu

(2.a) Nandu = Shankou (literal "mountain + port)
- idk


Date04:21:06, October 09, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
Message*(1.a) name would reference that the city lays EAST of the South Indrala Sea (oops)

Date04:39:40, October 09, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
Message(1.c) Guozhou = Fengguo (่ฑๆžœ) (literal: "abundant + fruit")

Date05:13:39, October 09, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
Message(1) Dongzhou, Min

(1.a) I agree with changing Dongzhou to Dongjing.

(2) Dongjing, Anle - Iโ€™d replace it with something to do with mountains or the sky

(2.a) Shandi

(2.b) Tianxin

(3) Beihei, Shu - I personally think Beihei is fine; it could be passed off as the North river of Shu, or the Beiyidom it was founded in.

(4) Guozhou, Han - To change it up you could always use -dong instead of dong-. If you look at a lot of provinces in China the location descriptor comes last (ie. Guangdong, Guangxi, Yunnan, etc.)

(4.a) I think Iโ€™d lean towards Qinghe when it comes to the three options.

(5) Mazhou, Min

(5.a) Malai, as in lai = to come and ma = horse, and since itโ€™s inland during its founding horses would be the main transportation to and from. However, Malai may sound a bit more South East Asian.

(6) Nandu, Shu

(6.a) Xiangao = fragrant harbour

Date05:14:42, October 09, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
Message(2.b) Tianxing

Date06:31:21, October 09, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageMore random city names, just because:

(1) Meihua (ๆข…่Šฑ) - (literal: "plum blossom")
(2) Liangjiang (ไธคๆฑŸ) - (literal: "two + river," literary: "meeting of two rivers")
(3) Jincheng (้‡‘ๅŸŽ) - (literal: "gold + city")
(4) Yiyang (ไปช้˜ณ) - no meaning
(5) Tianhe (็”ฐๅ’Œ) - (literal: "field + harmonious," literary: "harmonious field")
(6) Muli (ๆœจๆŽ) - (literary: "plum tree")
(7) Fengshan (ๅ‡คๅฑฑ) - (literal: "phoenix + mountain")
(8) Hanji (้ŸฉๅŸบ) - no meaning
(9) Yetao (ๅ†ถ้™ถ) - (literary: "pottery furnace")
(10) Haibin (ๆตทๆปจ) - (literal: "seaside")
(11) Renchuan (ไปๅท) - (literary: "apricot plains")
(12) Datian (ๅคง็”ฐ) - (literal: "big + field")

Date19:07:42, October 09, 2018 CET
FromๅŠกๅฎž็š„ๅ…š (Pragmatic Party)
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageOOC: Whatever you two decide, I will vote in favour. Just keep in mind that some companies are named after these places. May want to avoid changing those (e.g. Kaizhou, Beizhou).

Date21:15:45, October 09, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageYep, the big roleplayed cities were specifically not mentioned (ie. Kaizhou), as well as, provincial capitals (ie. Hazhou). I guess Beizhou could be discussed, it's there basically because it hasn't been rped very much.

Date03:55:19, December 03, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageMy new names:

(1) Beizhou -> Yuegang (Moon Harbour)
(2) Shuzhou -> Jinhuang (Gold Beacon)
(3) Tianzhou -> Longmen (Imperial/Dragon Gate)
(4) Guozhou -> Meihua (Plum blossom)
(5) Mazhou -> Xingguan (Apricot Pass)
(6) Dongzhou -> Ciyao (Porcelain kiln)
(7) Dongjing -> Fengshan (Phoenix mountain)
(8) Nandu -> Xiangao (Fragrant harbour)
(9) Beihei -> Longgu (Valley of Dragons)

Date04:27:43, December 03, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageChanging (1) because the name is quite similar to Jugang, which is a city in that province. Instead:

(1) Beizhou -> Guitan (Turtle Beach)

Date04:36:18, December 03, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageI really like (and agree with) a lot of these city name changes. It's time we actually get done with this city renaming. The only potential thing is the possibility of Longmen and Longgu sounding too similar, especially since, although they aren't in the same province they aren't to far off from each other.

Date18:56:51, December 04, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageI agree; perhaps instead we make Beihei -> Liangjiang?

Date18:57:15, December 04, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageLonggu can be the name of a greater geographic area (a large valley, most likely)

Date20:55:52, December 04, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageI think Longgu would definitely be a cool geographic feature, with a lot of possible culture/wildlife rp build up on it. But regarding Liangiang, I think it might be a bit strange since Beihei only currently has one river nearby.

Date20:58:16, December 04, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageI kinda like either Muli or Hanji.

Date21:32:54, December 04, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageThe map has since changed and they have two rivers merging into one now

Date19:30:25, December 05, 2018 CET
From่‘ต่Šฑ่ฏ็›Ÿ (Sunflower Coalition) ๐ŸŒป
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageAh ok, well then I approve the changes (and so does everyone else apparently).

Date02:35:38, December 06, 2018 CET
From่Žฒ่Šฑๅ…š (Lotus Party) ๐ŸŒธ
ToDebating the OOC: City renaming discussion *Debate only*
MessageOOC: archiving the debate

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