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Bill: OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols
Details
Submitted by[?]: Agramontian League (AL)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4482
Description[?]:
| The document below is a proposed update to the Cultural Protocol for Kalistan. Please vote YES if you support this update and NO if you do not. If the vote is successful, Moderation will then be notified of the proposed change. --- In accordance with section 6 of the Game Rules (http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6363#p90598), Kalistan is a "culturally protected" nation. Below is the cultural protocol which all players in the nation must abide. Throughout the document, the real-life equivalent is shown in brackets next to the in-game name. --OVERVIEW-- Kalistan is a culturally complex and diverse nation. Frequently described as a "melting pot", it can be difficult to identify discrete identities due to the country's willigness to open its borders and accept migrants of all kinds from across the globe. --ETHNICITY-- Most character names should be based on any combination of the ethnicities listed below. A minority may be based on other ethnic groups. » Kalistani (see Cultural Quantum below)- 88% » Pensio (Hispanic)- 2% » Aldegarian (Persian)- 1% » Mu-Tze (Mongol)- 1% » Asli (Central African)- 1% » Other- 7% --CULTURAL QUANTUM-- "Cultural Quantum" is a term unique to Kalistan. It is a way of approximating the impact of various cultural groups on the Kalistani identity in a quantititive manner. The ethnic identity of nearly all of the people of Kalistan is 'Kalistani'. Kalistani ethnic identity is a fusion of all the groups listed below. » Pensio (Hispanic)- 27% » Canrillaise/Asali (French/Louisiana Creole/Cajun)- 23% » Asli (Central African)- 16% » Dundorfic (Germanic)- 9% » Gao-Showan (East Asian)- 6% » Ezadi (Iranian)- 6% » Vintallian (Italian)- 5% » Other- 8% --RELIGION-- » Society of Brethren (Quakerism)- 63% » No religion- 10% » Yazdism (Zoroastrianism)- 7% » Akalism (Sikhism)- 7% » Septentrine (Ultrajectine Old Catholics)- 3% » Ahmadism (Islam)- 2% » Daenism (Buddhism)- 1% » Other- 7% --LANGUAGE-- While Kalistan has no official language, the primary language in the country is Luthorian (English). Two particular dialects exist: Vrassan (US vocabulary, British accent) and Odufar (British vocabulary, US accent). Both are spoken by around half the population. Most citizens speak an additional language with Egelian (Spanish) holding a special status particularly among the young and students who frequently appropriate slang terms into the Kalistani dialect. Other popular additional languages include those within Ezadi (Iranian) language family. Party names, national variables and bill titles should be in English. --INFORMATION/TOOLS-- Google translate: https://translate.google.co.uk/ Naming generators: http://www.behindthename.com/random/ http://fantasynamegenerators.com/#realNames Game Rules: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6363 Cultural Protocols Index: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6365 Particracy forum: http://forum.particracy.net/ |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:54:51, October 30, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | OOC: We agree on the need for updating. We would like to ensure a few things: 1) Brethrenism remains the dominant faith in Kalistan. This is the home of modern Brethrenism, and I did a LOT to build that religion into a permanent presence in Kalistan. 2) We don't radically alter the ethnic makeup of the country, but if there will be any increase, we hope it will be an increase in Egelion cultural influence. I would imagine that Kalistan is becoming a multi-lingual country. 3) I'd like to keep the notion of the cultural quantum. If there is any question, I'm happy to answer it. |
| Date | 12:08:46, October 30, 2018 CET | From | Agramontian League (AL) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | OOC: Agreed on all points. I have finished a first draft which trims the document down significantly. The old CP will remain "archived" even if we pass a new one so we can always refer to it if need be. Generally, I have tried to move away from listing several faiths or languages with a 1 or 2% of the population and just replace them with a larger "other" group. |
| Date | 02:24:11, October 31, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | Would you put the link to the old one in the current bill, so it can be referred to easily? |
| Date | 12:14:34, October 31, 2018 CET | From | Agramontian League (AL) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | Will do |
| Date | 17:18:43, October 31, 2018 CET | From | Agramontian League (AL) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | Added the cultural quantum. Appreciate this is a relatively dramatic change but am happy to discuss and amend it. |
| Date | 12:56:52, November 01, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | I’ll post a response this afternoon. |
| Date | 02:01:58, November 02, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | I'd change "In reality, the Kalistani identity is a fusion of all the groups listed below" to "The ethnic identity of nearly all of the people of Kalistan is 'Kalistani'. Kalistani ethnic identity is a fusion of all the groups listed below." |
| Date | 02:07:46, November 02, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | Also, one of the reasons that Enlians is listed here was because Kalistan, Ananto specifically, was colonized by "British" people. We were under the control of Ikradon until their empire fell apart. |
| Date | 02:08:16, November 02, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | https://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Kalistan#Imperial_Ikradonian_period_.28443-801_CE.29 |
| Date | 02:18:27, November 02, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | Also, it should be noted that character names can be from basically any ethnicity, but if a Party name is in Spanish, it needs an English translation in parenthesis. Changing the dominant language from English to Spanish, thus making untranslated Spanish Party names acceptable, hasn't been RP justified. The predominant language in Kalistan is still English, and I don't want to end up like Istalia printing everything in Istalian, and then maybe if we're lucky, getting some broken ass English translation, or Lourenne when I played there years ago where the Paper was Canrillaise only. |
| Date | 21:24:25, November 02, 2018 CET | From | Agramontian League (AL) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | Okay, made the wording change you suggested. I'll be honest and say the Enlian/Ikradonian history makes little sense to me. Where did the term "Enlians" originate from? "British" as a concept doesn't exist in Particracy as far as I'm aware since the English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish groups are fairly separated. On top of that, I'm not clear on whether Ikradon is really a British equivalent and even if it is, whether it should be. With that said, I'm happy to separate English out from Germanic and add in some Celtic influence. A couple of points on language. The situations you're describing in Istalia and in Lourenne are absolutely against the Game Rules so if we did decide to move to Spanish as the dominant language or give it equal status with English, we would never have to worry about it being like that. I think it's clear from the dozens of nations using non-English languages as their dominant language that it works fine and I can say that from experience, I've never had a language problem (I speak no other language than English). With that said, I am happy to make the changes you suggest and retain English as the primary language. |
| Date | 05:22:20, November 04, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | I think Luthori should be the primary language, with egelion spoken by half the people as a "house language" i.e. second language, both in the home and in public. If you go to LA, you know what I am aiming at. You can go through large stretches of the town and only see Spanish, but everyone speaks English. Its the Lingua franca. The history is the History. This was one part of the history that was inherited from Pentalarc. I am not in favor of paving over all his work: As he inherited it from somewhere, and I inherited it from him, and you inherited it from me, I think we should retain some of that stuff. Getting rid of the flavor Vrassan dialect and such, and the naming traditions is a pretty deep cut. Not everything has to go. Kalistan is a peculiar place, despite the years and years which have passed since it was anything other than California. I always saw Kalistan as the California that Californians thought was utopia. Gun toting, weed growing, social program paradise, free from war, free to drive around, and so forth. but there are also some real whack jobs out in California too, and their utopia is accounted for too. We lost a lot of that when Pentalarc left the game. If possible, I'd like to keep some of it. |
| Date | 05:24:25, November 04, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the OOC DISCUSSION: Cultural Protocols |
| Message | You may, after all, remember that when you got to Kalistan, it used to be called the Free and United Country of Kalistan. ;) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 223 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 27 |
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