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Bill: Subsidies
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2205
Description[?]:
| Has it occured to you that a business goes under because the people do not like it? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Current: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Proposed: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:05:04, March 20, 2006 CET | From |  Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | The Citizens Party supports this. We must end corporate welfare. |
| Date | 19:07:52, March 20, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | WAAAAAAAAAAIT! So, we end corporate welfare, but not SOCIAL?!?! You make no sense. |
| Date | 19:49:05, March 20, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | Giving money to people does not end poverty. Give them a JOB, not money. It's like that old saying: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. |
| Date | 21:46:16, March 20, 2006 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | To the Conservatives: We too believe in a free-market economic system. However, natural unemployment that results from capitalism has to be dealt with. Capitalism cannot save the world. The government (our national community) has the moral objective of helping those who are left on the inevitable margins of our economic system. It is not the moral objective of the government to save a private entity like a corporation. |
| Date | 01:16:30, March 21, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | The government does not have any moral obligations. People do. |
| Date | 21:22:52, March 21, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | If people want to fill those obligations, they can. It is not the government's job. That is, after all, closer to true democracy. |
| Date | 01:53:32, March 23, 2006 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | Yes but we have to be realistic. In the past, rampant poverty and economic inequities were not completely cured or solved from private charity. Government (with its vast resources and democratic nature) needs to be involved too. I support this bill because I believe in a free market, where corporations (because they are not human beings) need not be rescued by the government. They live or die by the market. |
| Date | 20:03:05, March 23, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | But why does government have "vast resources?" If the people REALLY want to give to the poor, they will. That is even more democractic in nature. I need to slow social welfare because I believe in a free country, where people need not be rescued by the government. People need to rescue people. If they want to they will. What about the guy that cannot get along because he is not doing well, but is still not "poor?" If he needs money, why take it from him? |
| Date | 20:38:21, March 23, 2006 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | The government is made up of democratically elected officials. These people are elected by their neighbors, their community. That guy you speak of who is not "poor" would benefit tremendously from the publicly funded pre-schools and universities that you are trying to take away. |
| Date | 23:40:05, March 23, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | What about the people who do not have children? they also pay for this. |
| Date | 23:40:56, March 23, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Subsidies |
| Message | The government should not subsidize ANYTHING; people should |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 168 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 165 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 168 |
| Random fact: Don't put "the" as the first word in your party name, because when parties are referred to in news reports, their names are preceded with "the", e.g. the [Socialist Party] has lost. |
| Random quote: "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." - Charles Darwin |