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Bill: Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4516
Description[?]:
| We believe it to be morally wrong for citizens of Kalistan to be exempted from justice without the consent of the National Assembly due solely to their position in society. A Representative is no better and no worse than a common laborer, so we recommend ending the protection of Representatives for crimes that would have warranted punishment for other citizens. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Parliamentary privilege.
Old value:: Members of the legislature are exempted from any civil or criminal liability for their speech or actions, but this immunity can be overruled by a vote in the nation's legislative body.
Current: Members of the legislature are not exempt from any civil or criminal liability for their speech or actions during their term of office.
Proposed: Members of the legislature are not exempt from any civil or criminal liability for their speech or actions during their term of office.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:20:48, January 15, 2019 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | We absolutely support. We are a nation of laws, and no person is above the law. |
| Date | 17:23:54, January 15, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | The whole point of the exemption is to ensure the government does not find needles in twigs from the MP’s statements and actions just to threaten or control the MP’s decision making. I believe it serves a very good purpose to protect the integrity and authority of parliament from governmental threat,therefore the current law which allows the legislature to overrule the immunity if a true malpractice has taken place is the correct say to go,we will not be able to support this legislation |
| Date | 18:55:46, January 15, 2019 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | "The whole point of the exemption is to ensure the government does not find needles in twigs from the MP’s statements and actions" Crimes. Not needles and twigs. "I believe it serves a very good purpose to protect the integrity and authority of parliament from governmental threat" Overlooking illegal actions taken by Representatives doesn't preserve the integrity of the legislature, it actually destroys it. "allows the legislature to overrule the immunity" It isn't the job of the legislature to decide who gets prosecuted and who doesn't. "if a true malpractice has taken place" Let me get this process straight. A Representative is accused of criminal offenses, so he's brought before the legislature and they decide whether or not a malpractice took place? So we're just circumventing the judiciary? This sounds like the opposite of impartial and fair justice to me. I thought the LDP was a liberal party, don't liberals believe in fairness and equality? If so, why would you support a law which gives preferential treatment to people based solely on their job? |
| Date | 19:15:40, January 15, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | The idea isnt giving them special treatment,the idea is circumventing the risk of the government threatening the elected representatives |
| Date | 19:16:56, January 15, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | İf we were to accept this legislation whose to say that an authoritarian government would not use this to subdue the legislative in the future ? |
| Date | 19:28:30, January 15, 2019 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | That makes no sense. The current policy gives government the power to try Representatives for crimes while the proposed would give that power to the same body which tries everyone else, the judiciary. |
| Date | 19:38:20, January 15, 2019 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | Look: if it promotes decorum in the Assembly, how bad could that be? Besides: a criminal is a criminal. We don’t have that many laws in this country. How hard is it to NOT violate the law? Trumped up charges get thrown out all the time, and only the most solid cases even gonto the courts. So, why is this controversial? If a, let’s say, Socialist, is found to have murdered five fascists, but the legislature is controlled by Socialists, what chance do you think the murderer has of getting justice? It’s more likely that that Socialist Deputy (Kalistani MP, just FYI), will get a medal! It works both ways. Let Deputies be subject to the normal process. We say, pass this bill. |
| Date | 19:46:23, January 15, 2019 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | To be clear, the Assembly is a political body, and not a body of deliberative justice. We make political decisions and occasionally the majority makes immoral ones, (see, for example, the Privatization measures). But the SP has faith in the independence of our court system and the fairness of our judicial process. Procedural justice is itself much better than the sort of interest lingering to be found in our legislature. We will support this bill when it comes to a vote. |
| Date | 00:55:58, January 16, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | Ok then if we’re throwing caution out the window then,we could vote for |
| Date | 01:04:08, January 16, 2019 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Furthering Equality and Fairness Under the Law |
| Message | We believe that this is a wise position to adopt, Comrades. We won't always have as enlightened of administrations as the one we currently dwell under. I say that without any sarcasm. There have been times in Kalistan's History when Parties have ignored any sense of rule of law in the Assembly and resorted to using bare majorities to actually push through police state nonsense, in the name of ideology. It is important to be able to rely on the judiciary as a check to bald faced abuse of power, but even in a sense like this, as no crime was committed, I imagine this bill would nonetheless still protect acts like that. As it focuses on actual crimes, I do not see its application for political purposes. And meanwhile, it gives us another tool to sanction the most heinous of offenses against our law. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 194 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 56 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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