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Bill: Religion in School
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partisans And Artisans League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2070
Description[?]:
The government must give individual schools the decision whether their teachers lead prayers in school. Due to the religious beliefs of a great deal of the Beluzian population (see public opinion chart) that it unreasonable to force the opinions of bureaucrats onto them. These prayers will be in no way compulsary and may even be lead out of normal class hours, if a teacher or pupil expresses the wish to pray with other Beluzians of a similar faith. The state should not interfere in the faith of other Beluzians and they should be allowed to practice their religion freely. This however, does not mean that politics cannot be based on a religious belief, if it effects a political parties' members stance on morality etc. To outlaw the inclusion of religious parties would be unjust. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 18:12:26, June 08, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | This is an acceptable step forward to Theocracy. |
Date | 20:51:50, June 08, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Communist Party | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | There is nothing under the present system that says students cannot pray together after school... Why do we need to change it? |
Date | 22:32:06, June 08, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Why do we need to change it? Why do we need to change it? I'll tell you why it's because I think it needs changed because if a teacher wants to lead a prayer in class and the pupils also want to who are we to stop them? If they want to pray -under religious freedom acts - they should be free to do so. For the children who do not want to this is their personal choice and they will not be forced to in ANY way shape or form. |
Date | 22:33:00, June 08, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Yeah I know I missed a few commas in there, sorry. I do it when the arguments passionate. :-) |
Date | 22:40:02, June 08, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | I think the communist parties in this country should start proposing some socialist legislation instead of just saying no to PPP and PAL policies all the time. |
Date | 23:31:59, June 08, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | their just a bunch of counter-revolutionaries... typical reactionary communists.... |
Date | 13:15:02, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | There is in reality only ONE communist party in Beluzia not multiple, we would request that the PPP and the PAL refrain from grouping together political parties into non-linked subdivisions; less we begin to refer to them as neo-fascist or neonazi. So in order to keep these debates at a civil level we would request that these parties please refrain from their derogatory use of terminology. There is no requirement to changing the law, it was introduced so that pupils rather than having any differences pointedly raised by teachers leading prayer within a school where many pupils may not share common religions. It instead provided made certain that religion was no barrier. Moreover it has been declared that Beluzia is a secular state and therefore to allow teachers within schools the ability to lead prayers goes against this principle. Furthermore, no law states that pupils may not already pray with other students of similar faith. |
Date | 15:28:54, June 09, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Communist Party | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | I would propose legislation, but it is a complete waste of my time as I cannot hope to achieve a political majority. |
Date | 16:30:51, June 09, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Sure you can! The People welcome any legislation mindful of decency, human dignity, and the absolute soveriegnty of almighty God! |
Date | 16:21:05, June 10, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | If pupils are allowed to pray with each other why can't the teacher? Are they not also allowed to express their religious beliefs - to deny them the right to practice there religion is a breach of Beluzian law. This law does not mean that the state is no longer secular, because by banning prayers in school, the state is expressing its athiest opinion as is therefore no longer secular. athiesm is a form of belief just like any other and should be treated as such but you are making the state athiest when it is meant to be secular. Who is the communist party in this country then? And since when have I started derogatory terminlology? Do you want me to call you the Communist party? or Marxist party? or Trotskyist party? or what because I know that there are differences but they all can come under the heading of some form of communism. It is the same as calling me neofacist because facism is nothing like the right-wing OR my party description OR the bills I have proposed. To clarify for El presidente "reactionary communists" - your repeatin yourself because communism is itself reactionary :-) LCP: it doesn't matter if the legislation won't get passed YOU have to start making a stand for what YOU believe irrespective of the outcome. |
Date | 05:24:43, June 15, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Praise the Lord! |
Date | 23:15:44, June 21, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | sorry Jack I forgot you had your bill for encouraging prayer when I moved this to the vote so it might actually set your back a month or two after it comes into effect. |
Date | 01:38:24, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Front for a Solidarian Country | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | "I think the communist parties in this country should start proposing some socialist legislation instead of just saying no to PPP and PAL policies all the time." Some of us prefer to take our time and write intelligent proposals. Besides, I don't seem to have as much free time as you do. |
Date | 11:58:23, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | yes i have more free time than you! Thats becuase im sad and i dont have much of a life and my girlfriend lives faraway - do you have a problem with this? ah? ah? ah? |
Date | 11:59:04, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | so your a communist party, I see.... |
Date | 12:02:23, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Particracy is fun though, we need the commies to come out their melancholic red shells and propose! Not you NMRP I've learned my lesson your "socialist, yes. Communist, no" |
Date | 12:02:56, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | (paraphrased) |
Date | 20:06:36, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Front for a Solidarian Country | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Indeed. You need us and we need you. It's all part of the fun :-) |
Date | 21:49:21, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Religion in School |
Message | Yeah you've got the right idea you've introduced loads of new bills. I like having arguments...oops sorry...discussions more than just voting. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||
yes | Total Seats: 69 | |||||
no |
Total Seats: 203 | |||||
abstain |
Total Seats: 28 |
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