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Bill: Government Shelters Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Futurist Front of Rutania
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4545
Description[?]:
| In order to help keep people off the streets and in acceptable, controllable positions of care, the Government should run all homeless shelters. Also, because homelessness has no time limits, the subsidy should be increased to last as long as the individual needs. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Homeless shelters and reintegration projects
Old value:: There are government-run shelters, but these coexist with privately run shelters.
Current: Local governments decide on homeless shelters and reintegration projects.
Proposed: The government runs all homeless shelters and reintegration projects
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:48:02, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | Nope |
| Date | 17:48:24, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | We will hereby oppose a bill that will promote higher economic instability for people that do not work. |
| Date | 17:54:01, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Futurist Front of Rutania | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | Economic instability? This bill allows those who cannot find work the ability to access commodities like the internet or education, and gives them the power to become productive citizens. There is really no reason to oppose this, as a libertarian. |
| Date | 17:56:36, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | Libertarian means small government, there are (like here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRH3xHJi1M) better private charities, people will donate voluntarliy as communities help their fellow men, even in our home nation we have lots of this and people actually help people without state. Also bureaucracy is high and most of moneys go to bloody bureaucrats. If you believe in helping poors, private charities give less money for poor, but those are mostly given to them, while government gives nmost of money on bureaucrats and organizing the ministers rather than helping poor |
| Date | 17:59:44, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Futurist Front of Rutania | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | I am fully aware as to what libertarian means. However, that doesn’t mean that a government shouldn’t care for its citizenry! If beaureacracy is so high... well, the libertarians in power can’t be doing that strongly. |
| Date | 18:01:11, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | we do not, we avoid it, we simplified lots of things so we can have fast-paced state, we do not like mountains of papers |
| Date | 18:20:53, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Futurist Front of Rutania | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | “Also bureaucracy is high and most of moneys go to bloody bureaucrats.” Do you deny saying this, about your own country? The country you specifically run? |
| Date | 18:21:40, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | Not ran by me, but my home country, real country were I live (OOC Romania) |
| Date | 18:45:41, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Futurist Front of Rutania | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | So, you were talking about a country that doesn’t exist? How... interesting. |
| Date | 18:47:10, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | Romania exists. |
| Date | 18:47:44, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | OOC it is European dumbass, your knowledge of geography is close to zero. I am appalled you made my country non-existing...:( |
| Date | 18:48:46, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Futurist Front of Rutania | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | OOC: Romania does not exist in game. By referencing it in game, you referenced a country that does not exist, because Romania is not a country in Particracy. |
| Date | 18:50:46, March 13, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | You did not specified that previously, it was clearly an OOC and not IG. I said my home country in a OOC. My home country is Romania and NHS is pretty worthless and inefficient |
| Date | 14:29:26, March 14, 2019 CET | From | Rutanian National Congress Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | we are not at fight with any country and i dont believe we need such bill as we are a progressive country not a progressed country |
| Date | 15:18:03, March 14, 2019 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government Shelters Act |
| Message | Also we do not think we need nationalized shelters. Actual law is good because nationalized shelters can work with private ones to help people. There are private organizations, non-profit NGOs that are ready to help people who are poor, by denying them the possibility you actually oppose helping poors better. The state manages own shelters, but private, regulated and lead by people with good heart will help the state in the fight of helping poor. This bill actually shows that NFFR only cares about agenda and not truly for people. We, RLP, are biased, we do mistakes and our ideology may not be best, but we care for people and not for agendas! If you truly cared for people you would realize that this is bad. Why other fellow men should not be able to run non-profit organizations to help poor? The state will help but also private citizens should be able to help them. This is ridicoulous and only shows the lack of arguments and a clear push of agenda and nothing more from NFFR, we want to "protect and help" poor by eliminating non-profit NGOs.... nice. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 206 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 366 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 56 |
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