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Bill: Church-State Seperation Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4550
Description[?]:
| This bill ends forced religious practices. Now, no one will be forced to practice a religion, and it is going to end the 20 year fight for secularism in this nation. The resistance has won against the religious dogmatists. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: Both private and public blasphemy are considered grave offenses, and are heavily prosecuted.
Current: Both private and public blasphemy are considered grave offenses, and are heavily prosecuted.
Proposed: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: People are required to dress according to religious codes
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Current: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Current: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:59:19, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | Of course this will be repealed and the people responsible for such an action will be executed. Moreover this law will not be executed by the government. Head of Government. |
| Date | 21:40:19, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: please don’t make up stuff and ruin the roleplay experience for everyone. I’d say there’s evidence that you’ve been trolling on this country for (in game) years now, and it’s not appreciated. This has nothing to do with our parties being in opposition, but I say this with everyone else in mind: please stop trolling, and let’s make this country fun for everyone. I truly want a serious governmental roleplay experience |
| Date | 21:56:02, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: Under real circumstances as soon as your parties would have tried to abolish the First Soldier Act the military would have staged a Coup and all other parties would have become Block parties. That is realistic. It is also realistic that a government of different political ideology does simply disregard parliament: See the US contra affair , look at Trump. You csnnot just pick Those parts which seem convienent and disregard the forum on the way which is an integral part of role play. |
| Date | 22:05:57, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: that isn’t the spirit of what this game is about. As for how we recognize the game, we interpret passed legislation as exactly that. If someone passes, we view that as law regardless of what you say. Everyone else does as well. You can say all you want about not enforcing stuff, but we are determining that it will be enforced. You have been trolling to a degree, and it’s not fun. |
| Date | 22:08:57, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: also it is explicitly against game rules to just execute my rp characters like that. You are lucky I have not reported you to moderation. The only reason I’m not going to report you to moderation is because you put effort into this country and have real knowledge of politics. I advise you to make an effort to make this country fun for everyone, stop trolling, and stop being violent and breaking roleplay rules. |
| Date | 22:11:26, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: Realism is the first priority and I seriously see no unrealistic consequences here. The public Sector is full BDL members and they are simply being told not to enforce laws. Through the Constitutional Court you could have forced us to to do that but you have chosen to abolish it destroying an important part of rp. Do you seriously expect that a party so long in government simply gives in? I don’t think that would be realistic. |
| Date | 22:11:55, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: there is no “winning” in this game. It is a roleplay server. It’s fun to play as the opposition sometimes. You can stop being tyrannical. You got this buddy, I know you’re not mentally slow, but you’re certainly acting like it. |
| Date | 22:12:18, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: I did not execute anyone. |
| Date | 22:15:18, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: I expect that you understand what makes the game more fun for everyone. I expect that you respect the spirit of this game, and the spirit of this game is crafting legislation and forming coalitions. You’re smarter than this, so please stop playing dumb on purpose. This is a simply designed game, make an effort to ensure that roleplay is a fun simulation of govenrment. You completely neglect what this game is all about. |
| Date | 22:19:27, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: “Of course this will be repealed and the people responsible for such an action will be executed. Moreover this law will not be executed by the government. Head of Government.“ Hmmmmm you can stop blatantly lying right now. You also threatened throwing my character Janet Williamson in a homosexual concentration camp. You clearly don’t want to make this roleplay game fun, as you’re just screwing around and trolling. |
| Date | 22:23:48, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: You are very patronizing here. You insulted me already several times and I don't think that is nice. I ask you to stop that. To clarifiy: The execution will only start when the Treason Act has passed. I am sorry that this caused confusion. Of course I cannot just execute people although one could argue that as Facists we simply want to make Solentia a one party state and kill all enemies of our ideology. You try to deal with IC matter on an OC basis here and i dont think thats wise. |
| Date | 22:41:44, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: no, I’m respecting the spirit of what Solentia is and hoping you want to make this server fun for everyone. I now see that isn’t your goal. You’re not dumb or slow, and I apologize for being patronizing. You’re just a troll, and I think trolling should not be tolerated in Solentia. I have created a different bill to discuss this. Thank you for admitting you’re trolling and not dumb. |
| Date | 23:11:41, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: It would be apprciated if we could stop labeling each other as dumb or slow or troll. That is not helpful nor polite. |
| Date | 23:38:21, March 23, 2019 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: I have explicitly said on multiple occasions that I said I thought you were smart and didn’t think you were dumb or slow. As for the trolling, I honestly think you are intentially trying to make this server less fun for everyone else, and calling you a troll is a simplified way of expressing that. I will fully explain myself next time, my bad. |
| Date | 00:00:12, March 24, 2019 CET | From | Faschistische Union | To | Debating the Church-State Seperation Act |
| Message | OOC: You simply cannot accept that a facist or neo-conservative party treis to sabotage lef-twing ideas and laws. Look at the Republic of Weimar and you will see what conservatives and facists did there do prevent legislation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 71 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 29 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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