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Bill: Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Hutori
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4589
Description[?]:
| This Senatorial Committee Is Called In Relation to AH-1 Proposed by Senator Tim Moon of Kenai. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:55:41, April 12, 2019 CET | From |   Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Mr. Chairman I would ask the Senator what the issue would appear to be, before we would call an Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacaran Affairs to speak on the issues that are raised. Erica d'Entremont Senator for Carter City Heritage Hills Liberal Member for the Committee on the Mashacaran Resolution |
| Date | 19:56:07, April 12, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: I can play the Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs, I know the Mashacaran file extremely well as I basically wrote it lol |
| Date | 20:44:12, April 12, 2019 CET | From | National Monarchist Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | "Mr. Speaker, There are three issues that are before the Mashacaran peoples today. One is lack of control over local police institutions. Two is that they may now be citizens of Hutori, but this does not adequately reflect their tribal status. Third, as of today, no official state-sanctioned record exists of Mashacaran history." Tim Moon (AH-KE) Senator for St. Adrian Southeast |
| Date | 20:54:03, April 12, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: As this is a witness coming before, you can direct your questions directly to him IC: Senator Moon The situation with law enforcement with the Mashacara is complicated. In Farlistan, the Five Nations, are all extremely wealthy and have huge reservations, however they do have their own law enforcements on the Reservations themselves. On the Isle of Sutton, the Owise tribe is located so far in the north, there is no law enforcement to speak off other then the Federal Police that are in Sutton City itself. In regards to the rest, they live relatively close to cities, however their resources are not the same as the oil wealth obviously that the Farlistan tribes have, so law enforcement from either Provincial authorities or local city police departments, however Law Enforcement still requires permission to come to the Reservation Land. Could you explain that in more detail, I think there may be some miscommuncation on official policy but I want to know to be sure. This is true, we have no official State Sanctioned Record of Mashacaran History, and for the two tribes that have evaporated into history unfortunately we only have what was written. That said, the Mashacara Nations retain their own verbal histories and stories, and in many cases they have some written history, but the Department of Internal Affairs does not go to them to ask directly. Jasper Torrance Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacaran Affairs |
| Date | 21:13:08, April 12, 2019 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: Who is part of that commitee? |
| Date | 21:56:13, April 12, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: Any Senator from any of the elected Parties. Could be your internal affairs critic, education, just a random Senator, entirely up to you |
| Date | 23:52:16, April 12, 2019 CET | From | National Salvation Front (NSF) | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | We ask that a brief summary of the situation can be provided tot the members of the commite by the AH. |
| Date | 00:01:27, April 13, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | To the Senator of the NSF As I have stated, I know the file better then anyone, if they have any questions, I encourage them to ask. Jasper Torrance Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacaran Affairs |
| Date | 00:11:07, April 13, 2019 CET | From | National Salvation Front (NSF) | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC please elaborate on the sisue |
| Date | 01:24:33, April 13, 2019 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Mr Torrence, Of the revenues from natural resources extracted from Mashacaran Reserves, does the Government of Hutori take any royalty? Or do all the revenues stay in the hands of the Mashacarans? Reginald Trump Minister of Trade & Industry |
| Date | 07:01:14, April 13, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Minister Trump If you are speaking in regards to the Five Nations of Falristan the situation is... complicated. Strictly speaking the Mashacara are protected an semi-autonomous enclaves within Hutori with their lands and rights guaranteed under the Constitution.. or at least they were under the Commonwealths Constitition, and under the prior Federal Republic and Kingdom. Subsequently the natural resources under their ground are entirely their own, though they extract the oil through a private company, the Carter Energy Group. The CEG is jointly owned by the Five Nations, which each hold 10%, the Falristan Provincial Government who owns 25%, and the remainder is held by private investors. Subsequently the Government of Falristan gets 25% of the revenue. The Government of Hutori gets whatever taxes it would collect from the CEG as a private company. The Mashacara, or more specifically the Five Nations retain half of the revenue stream and the royalties from any private companies that extract it as well that arent directly owned or managed by the CEG. In regards to other natural resources with other tribes, only two other Nations in Hutori have any energy based resources to speak of; the Owise who own a portion of the arctic shelf and refuse to allow development as is their sovereign right, and the Nation in Kenai, though Kenai Power as I am to understand has some stake in aiding the extraction process, though you would need to ask the Kenai Provincial Government or the CEO of Kenai Power for further details. Jasper Torrance Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacaran Affairs |
| Date | 07:59:25, April 13, 2019 CET | From | National Salvation Front (NSF) | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: so absicly they are natives who have oil--> |
| Date | 00:12:45, April 15, 2019 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Mr Torrance, For the sake of clarification, you mention that were other private oil compagnies than the CEG who extract oil from the Five Nation's soil. What portion of the local oil undistry is control by these other private compagnies under the Five Nation's soil? Do they control only a marginal portion of the oil extraction or do they represent a significantly large portion of the local oil industry of the Five Nation? -Julia Boyle Senator fo the National Progress Party and former minister of Trade and Industry. |
| Date | 01:51:38, April 15, 2019 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Mr Torrence, Thank you for that response. I do have one more question on this topic. From that answer, it seems to me like the Mashacaran nations are being sort of short changed in all of this. Under the Constitution, the Mashacara essentially have sovereignty over their land. So what I would ask is, did the Mashacarans make an agreement with the provincial government of Falristan at the time to sell off 25% of CEG to them, or did the Falristan government force them to? And if this was a signed agreement between the Five Nations and the Province of Falristan, is it possible for the Five Nations to rework that deal and take back more of the equity in the company? Reginald Trump Minister of Trade & Industry |
| Date | 18:42:00, April 15, 2019 CET | From | National Salvation Front (NSF) | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: why dont we just sen dour men in an dtake the oil??? |
| Date | 23:50:11, April 16, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Senator Boyle Approximately 25% of the oil companies that work on the Five Nations Land are not directly controlled by CEG. However their contracts are very strict; the Five Nations are paid substantial royalties to the Five Nations for the right to work on that land. I should also note that oil aren't there only industries, nor does the CEG only control oil, they have their hands in many industries it just happens to be the Carter Energy Group is most known for it. I can say without any compunction that the Five Nations are amongst the wealthiest in the nation. The Five Nations approached the Falristan Government for initial funding and the infrastructure itself; the oil was there but the Five Nations didn't have the ability to extract it They offered a third of the revenue at the time, so the original arrangement was actually 66% to 34%. When the CEG had to expand its operations and as it diversified the Provincial Government and the Five Nations jointly allowed private investors to obtain 25% of the shares. The current arrangement from what I am aware is as the Five Nations prefer it; they see themselves as not only Mashacaran but Hutorian and citizens of Falristan and they honestly believe it is their civic duty to support the Provincial Government, I can say that the 25% of the revenue the Provincial Government gets is one the key reasons why the Falristan Provincial Government has had to post a deficit in decades if not centuries. They own just over 50% so the private investors and the Government can never screw them so to speak and the CEG is one of the most profitable companies in the country if not the entire northern hemisphere; again CEG isn't just racking in money from the oil fields, but from a number of other ventures. As an example the Carter Energy Group in fact owns 60% of the power grid of Davostan, those revenues come back to Hutori. Further details would need to be pulled from the Ministry of Trade & Industry however. Jasper Torrance Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacara Affairs |
| Date | 05:47:24, April 17, 2019 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Mr Torrance, Thank you for clearing that up. I just was looking for reassurance that the Five Nations had in fact agreed to it and that they were not unfairly pressured into the current framework. Hon. Reginald Trump Minister of Trade & Industry |
| Date | 01:11:08, April 20, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Senator Moon Now is there something specific you feel needs to be addressed? Jasper Torrance Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacara Affairs |
| Date | 05:25:35, April 21, 2019 CET | From | National Monarchist Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Mr. Torrance, I believe with the current whirlwinds of change ripping through this country, I wonder what the current sentiment of the Mashacara is to the change from a republic to a monarchy? Tim Moon (AH-KE) Senator for St. Adrian Southeast |
| Date | 06:20:06, April 21, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | Senator Moon I can tell you without compunction or hesitation; you'll need a group more loyal to the Monarchy then the Mashacara. The reason the Mashacara's Rights and Treaties were enshrined by the Constitution and zealously protected was the Royal Family. I think the fact that the Mashacara as a People choose to grant the title of High Chieftain or Chieftainess to the reigning Monarch should say enough. The Mashacara are citizens of Hutori but they swore oaths and treaties of loyalty to the Royal Family, a loyalty that has been earned through both faith and works; it should be noted that Falristan is the only Province of Hutori without a Royal Patron save the Monarch themselves, again it's a sign of deep respect and loyalty, both from the Mashacara and towards them. I will note during the Third Federal Republic, when the Kingdom of Adelia was granted the right to exist, the Five Nations swore Oaths of Allegiance to the King of Adelia and there was a significant immigration of Mashacara to Adelia. Jasper Torrance Assistant Minister of Internal Affairs for Mashacara Affairs |
| Date | 03:05:35, June 11, 2019 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Senate Committee on a Mashacaran Resolution |
| Message | OOC: Archiving |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 134 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 281 |
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