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Bill: Anti-Blasphemy Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: Gaduridos Freedom Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 4562

Description[?]:

Gaduridos may be a secular state, but that is not an excuse to allow disrespect of religion.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date04:51:49, April 13, 2019 CET
FromLibertarian Socialist Party (LSP/PSL)
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageDrop the F from GFP, because you clearly don’t stand for freedom.You can replace it with a T standing for theocratic.

Josè Dias October 4559
Leader of the opposition

Date02:11:44, April 15, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageIf we were theocratic, we would have decided to make this a criminal offense, we would have called for the removal of the President and Prime Minister positions (which would destroy the Gaduridan republic), we would have made all schools religious and so on. You should thank God (or thank goodness because we're a secular state) that we're not going to do that.

Freedom is not only for the secular/atheists. We need to free the religious people from being trampled on by the verbal harrassment and insult that is blasphemy. It is time to stop tolerating those who repeatedly cross the line and misuse the name of God (or any other religious figure) in total irreverence and disrespect. Shame on you if you condone their actions. Keep in mind that we're giving them a comparatively light punishment here, as opposed to what would happen in a fanatic country.

I know you might say this is an attack on free speech. But blasphemy is the use (or misuse to be precise) of religious or sacred words as expletives. If they don't add any meaning, then why should we still have them?

By the way, this legislation does not ban the f-word, the s-word, or any others that don't have a connection to religion.

Domenico Rodriguez
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
September 4560

OOC: Although Gaduridos is a culturally open nation, I'm quite sure that the majority of the population is religious according to the Cultural Guidelines.

Date06:01:59, April 15, 2019 CET
FromLibertarian Socialist Party (LSP/PSL)
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageDoesn't matter what degree the offense is.It could be a misdemeanor.Still an offense.It would be reasonable for a theocratic party in Gaduridos to not propose removing the President or Prime Minister off the bat because it would get immediately shot down.You may not force public schools to be religious, but you still give them the option therefore violating the separation of church and state.

Blasphemy IS free speech, whether you like it or not.Everyone has the right to be disrespectful as long it doesn't hurt anybody.No, we don't need to put religious people in a safe place.Free speech has no limitations.You're still giving them a punishment.

I'm sorry, but when did free speech can be misused?Free speech is free speech, there is no such thing as misusing it.

Josè Dias October 4560
Leader of the opposition

Date01:55:40, April 16, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageHave you overlooked hate speech and libel? The idea that free speech has no limitations is not exactly true (although everyone wants it to be).

For example, is it okay if someone says something that threatens public safety? If you say there is no such thing as misusing free speech, how do you deal with such a person? They would argue that what they said is free speech. There are ways to misuse free speech, and this case is one of them.

You say that everyone has the right to be disrespectful as long as it doesn't hurt anybody. The thing is, disrespect is bound to hurt people in one way or another. So what you have said is effectively an oxymoron.

So you say disrespect is okay as long as it doesn't hurt anybody (a conditional statement), yet you say there is no such thing as misusing free speech and that free speech has no limitations (an unconditional statement). Can you explain why you have used two contradicting statements in the same argument?

How do religious schools violate the separation of church and state? The schools are not the state. They don't control the government, they just get funding if they aren't private.

Domenico Rodriguez
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
March 4561

Date01:58:09, April 16, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageP.S. Is hate speech and libel even considered free speech?

Date02:13:30, April 16, 2019 CET
FromLibertarian Socialist Party (LSP/PSL)
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageFirst of all, libel can actually hurt somebody.By hurting, I don't mean hurting their feelings, I mean hurting their lives, people around them would be disgusted at them.Second of all, can you explain how criticizing a religion is defamation?

Third of all, hate speech?(laughs maniacally) of course hate speech is free speech, it is not the government's job to protect your feelings.

Fourth of all, public schools being religious is a violation of the separation of church and state.Giving funding to religious schools is also.

Josè Dias March 4561
Leader of the opposition

P.S. hate speech is, libel isn't.I use the American definition of free speech

Date03:12:54, April 16, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageBlasphemy is not criticising a religion. I only brought up libel and hate speech to challenge the idea that free speech as no limitations. Nevertheless, blasphemy hijacks religious and sacred words and ruins their meanings, degrading the images of associated figures and people. That could be considered as defamation.

I am quite shocked that hate speech is considered free speech. In case you didn't know, one of the first steps in a genocide is hate speech and discrimination. So we need to deal with hate speech as well and rid Gaduridos of it. The more we tolerate hate speech, the more likely a genocide or something equally worse will happen as a result.

As far as I know, the law does not say there are public schools that are religious, it only says that any religion can set up a school, under certain regulations. If some public schools want to be religious, they make that choice independently of us. Not all of them will be religious, so why should we be concerned? If you don't like that, those schools can always be privatised. Besides, where did you get the idea that we wanted to give public schools the option to be religious or that we wanted to give them funding?

Domenico Rodriguez
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
March 4561

P.S. Hate speech is free speech? No wonder why genocide is still a thing.

OOC: Use 'Likatonian' instead of 'American'.

Date02:13:45, April 17, 2019 CET
FromLibertarian Socialist Party (LSP/PSL)
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageGenocide can only happen if we allow the hate speechers to take charge.A person saying "F*ck black people" or any other group won't cause a genocide.Hijacking religious or sacred words is not defamation because it does no damage to the religion.Also, many words change meaning overtime, does that mean we should arrest people for using a word that meant something else 1,000 years ago?

What if a school near a poor neighborhood becomes religious and we privatize that?Congratulations!You took that neighborhood's only source of education away!Funding any religious school with tax dollars is a violation of the separation of church and state, doesn't matter if it is their choice or not.

Josè Dias September 4561
Leader of the opposition
P.S. Hate speech isn't free speech?That's why people in where hate speech is banned are a bunch of p*ssies.

OOC:I forgot to indicate that was OOC, sorry.I thought Baltusia was the equivalent to the U.S. in particracy

Date08:04:34, April 17, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageBeware that hate speechers are everywhere. That one person is not alone. They and any people backing them up will stop at nothing to put their ideas into effect. Also, they don't need legal power to start a genocide. There have already been massacres of black people by crazy fanatic white supremacist groups. Those supremacist groups didn't need to be part of the government and were actually illegal.

If a neighbourhood only has one school and it becomes religious, it is up to us to give them a secular alternative. Don't just sit there and say, "Funding religious schools is a violation of the separation of church and state". Go and fix the problem!

Let us save our debate on hate speech and religious schools for another time and focus on the issue of blasphemy.

Many words may change meaning over time, but MOST OF THEM DON'T. Keep in mind there is a proper meaning, and that any improper meaning results from misuse of a word. How many religious words have changed their proper meaning over time?

If people keep saying 'Eliyahu' (OOC: Jesus) as an expletive every time something goes wrong, the result is that Eliyahu gets blamed for a lot of bad things that he didn't do. This argument applies to any religious figure. Don't use their names as swearwords.

Domenico Rodriguez
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
November 4561
P.S. You are using hate speech yourself. No surprise if you are siding with the hate speechers.

Date08:05:45, April 17, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageMuch time has been lost due to discussion, so I will send this bill to the vote straight away.

Date08:34:29, April 17, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageThis is the last thing I get to do as party leader, as Nikolas Ilene Serpico is taking over from me. It was nice knowing you.

Date08:34:40, April 17, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageNovember 4561

Date06:24:46, April 18, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageLol, I don't think Mr. Rodriguez realised the election was coming up. I will send this back to the vote. By the way, hello there!

Nikolas Ilene Serpico
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
April 4562

Date15:56:32, April 18, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageBet Rodriguez didn't think of this, but you secular people already have a myriad of secular profanities. Why do you need to use religious words as swearwords?

Nikolas Ilene Serpico
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
June 4562

Date22:32:07, April 18, 2019 CET
FromLibertarian Socialist Party (LSP/PSL)
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
Message"Bet you have many other websites that does the same thing, so why can't we censor this website?Bet you have many other religions so why can't we persecute this religion?Bet you have many other rights so why can't we take away this right?" You know what?I don't give a f*ck about about "muh sacred words".It is not the government's job to protect a religion's image.

Josè Dias August 4562
Leader of the opposition

Date08:31:29, April 19, 2019 CET
FromGaduridos Freedom Party
ToDebating the Anti-Blasphemy Act
MessageYou don't care about sacred words? Fine.

However, you criticised the use of the f-word slur by President Ramirez, saying that his homophobic remarks 'displaces all LGBT members in Gaduridos'. You say it is not the government's job to protect a religion's image. Much less that of a rights movement then, I say. But you care so much about the LGBT community, as if it is your job to protect their image! Don't get me wrong, I am also critical of what Ramirez has said. What I don't like though is your clear hypocrisy, as you are so protective of the LGBT movement but not the religious community who is equally important!

Nikolas Ilene Serpico
Gaduridos Freedom Party Leader
November 4562

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