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Bill: AH-13: Restoration

Details

Submitted by[?]: National Monarchist Party of Hutori

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 4564

Description[?]:

The restoration of the Presidential Commonwealth model.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date06:13:12, April 20, 2019 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageMr. Speaker

I wish to table a message written on this Bill as written by the President, if it would please this House.

Senator Charles Murphy
Chairman of the Liberal Royalist Caucus


Date09:11:55, April 20, 2019 CET
From National Monarchist Party of Hutori
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
Message"Mr. Speaker,

We second."

Robert Bell

Date14:30:18, April 20, 2019 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageTo the Senators of the National Senate


The Republic versus Monarchy debate is one of the most polarizing issues in Hutori. Whenever it grips our nation, stability comes grinding to a halt and all parties on both sides put aside all other issues to fight. When this happens our economy weakens, our national security is compromised and the people suffer. This must end if we are to continue forward.


One thing the Republicans can not deny is that the Monarchy has provided the most stability in governments with the Viceroyal Model of Government, with an Elected Representative of the Monarchy, being the best compromise with both sides able to live with. I urge all Parties to vote in favor of this Grand Compromise as we all as a nation can move forward and focus on making Hutori one of Terras Great Powers again, not fighting amongst ourselves in our preferred form of government.


If this Compromise by the National Senate is reached, I pledge to support immediate Elections to allow the Hutorian Electorate to decide the fate of those who chose to run, and with the Restoration of the Monarchy it is my immediate pledge that I will resign as President and allow the Hutorian people to choose a new President who will not be from the Liberal banner.


This polarization of Hutori must come to end so again I urge all parties to vote for this Grand Compromise and return Hutori to some normalcy.


Sincerely

The Right Honourable Eric Steuart-Carmichael
President of the Federal Republic of Hutori

Date23:34:32, April 20, 2019 CET
From National Progress Party
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageMr. Speaker,

This is an attack on democracy. It is a shamefull day when we want to dismantle a nation of freedom and equality to re-establish an old and obsolete autocratic regime. We have no problems agains't establishing a Steuart-Carmichael as President as long as he is elected. But to grant to the Steuart-Carmichael family the statue of eternal rulers of Hutori and thus, imposing upon our children and all our descendents our own decision of naming monarch is a impure and vile attack on the very principales on which hutori was built on.

The President is saying that monarchy is provinding stability in governement but can't he see that his claim to the throne is what brought the instability in the first place? Monarchy hasn't even been established yet and we can already hear echos of separatism from both Falristan and Roccato. Will the so called ''royal familly' break this country apart just so they can sit in nice chair? The President is incredibly naive if he really think that we, the fighters of the republic, will ever surrender to their reign. We will fight for this republic until democracy prevail. Yes indeed, the hutorian people have elected massivly a monarchist governement but 10 years ago, they also elected massively a republican governement. If the hutorian people can change their opinion on monarchy in a ten years period, what tell you that the will not elected a republican governement in 10 years? Then, we will have to go trought the same process over again, sinking our country into chaos and instability even further. How long can this cycle continue? How long will the republican and the monarchist will have to fight one another until the Steuart-Carmichael family understand what they shoud have understand from the very beginning, that they are no better than any other hutorian and that they are not more worthy of ruling than anyone else?

Can't the President see that he is destroying the very stability that he is pretending to defend? Can he and his mother understand that it is their childish demand for power that is bringin ou beautifull country to a state of near chaos?

Furthermore, can we discuss aobut how unclear and vague this constitunial bill is? This doesn't even define how the new monarchist system would work. What are the power of the monarch? Do we change the name of the country? What power does the President of the Commonwealth has? Is the Chart of executive power still binding as law? This kind of unclarities are dangerous. How could the President talk about stability when he support such a dangerously vague bill?

-Justine Bates
Leader of the National Progress Party and former President

Date00:44:52, April 21, 2019 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageMr. Speaker

I wonder if the former President has ever opened a History Book and looked at Hutori's History; it was established as a Monarchy and has more of it's time then less as a Monarchy in one form or the other; the times of Republicans are actually the minority. Furthermore, I fall to see how there is anything autocratic about the Monarchy we had established; all true power was in elected official's hands, the only difference between then and now is the Prime Minister was the most powerful person in government, not the President as we have now. The powers of the Monarchy are Constitutional and Ceremonial as ever; to suggest otherwise is the usual Republican propaganda to discredit the Monarchist System. The Monarchy guarantees our Democracy by serving as an apolitical figurehead that can stay above politics, unlike right now as it evident by the former President attacking this, despite the fact that 66% of the Hutorian people voted in favour of Monarchism; they just don't like it because they lost.

I can not speak for the President but I wonder, Mr. Speaker, if the former President doesn't see the irony at the fact she claims there is the echos of separatism in Falristan and Roccato... from her own Provinicial Affiliate Parties. I wonder then if the former President as Leader of the NATIONAL Progress Party will condemn the comments of the Premier of Falristan and Leader of the Opposition of Roccato as treasonous for preaching separatism, which, unlike advocating for the Monarchy, is very much against the law.

Further to the point Mr. Speaker, no we do not think the Leader of the Official Opposition would ever give up on attempting to restore the Federal Republic, advocating for a change of government wasn't illegal under the Commonwealth, though I have no doubt the National Progress Party would love to make Monarchism illegal or execute the Royal Family at the first chance they got.

I will note for the record Mr. Speaker that the Leader of the Official Opposition made a willful false statement. Her Imperial Majesty Empress Sarah V and President Steuart-Carmichael have neither advocated for the Restoration of the Monarchy nor have they railed against the Federal Republic. In fact the President does not care one way or the other whether or not this passes; it would be the will of the National Senate not his own mechanizations in a Body he can not even vote in that would restore the Monarchy. Further I wonder if the Leader of the Official Opposition is even aware that if the President was restored as Grand Duke of Lagard he would be cutting himself off from power. As Grand Duke of Lagard he is 3rd in line to the throne, assuming his brother and sister have no children, which they both do. The President knows he will never be on the throne or have power. Maybe the Leader of the Official Opposition should have spoken to the people she claims are being selfish and are power hungry prior to making such false statements in this August Body.

I find the irony of this statement from the Leader of the Official Opposition to be truly rich. When they tore down the Commonwealth, they didn't have a Constitution of the Federal Republic, their Chart of Executive Power was passed after the fact, giving them just as much vagueness, and instead focused only on making sure their preferred form of government came into being. We will not state that the vagueness of this Bill of Restoration doesn't concern us, but the National Progress Party can drop the act when they speak of such nonsense when they themselves are just as guilty.

Instead of slandering the Monarchy and the will of 2/3 of the Hutorian electorate that chose to vote for this form of Government while their provincial affilates throw temper tantrums and threat rebellion and treason, perhaps they would prefer to work with the Government that will come in place after the Election to finalize the Constitution, make sure the protections they seem to be worried about are guaranteed and work to make Hutori a prosperous nation, rather then one that spent too long several centuries ago being torn apart by this issue.

Senator Charles Murphy
Chairman of the Liberal Royalist Caucus

Date01:05:02, April 21, 2019 CET
From Hutori Party
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageHERE HERE!!!

*Entire Conservative Caucus*

Date07:01:29, April 21, 2019 CET
From National Progress Party
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageMr. Speaker,

The Chairman of the Liberal Royalist Caucus has said a lot of things. Most of what he said was completly wrong on many level.

First of all it is entirely false that the ''Chart Executive Power'' was passed after the creation of the Federal Republic. The Federal Republic and the Chart of Executive Power were both instaured at the same exact moment for the main reason that we, in contrary of the monarchist, understood that you cannot instaure a new regime without thinking about the rules and guidelines of it before.

Another falsehood claimed by the senator was that the President never advocate for the advocated for the Restoration of the Monarchy. This falsehood is rather odd considering the fact that senator himself just tabled a message from the President urging us to vote in favor of this bill and thus supporting monarchy and thus supporting the enthronement of his own mother.

I would also like to add that advocating for separatism, even if we disagree with that idea, is not technically illegal.

Now, if you allow me Mr. Speaker, I make some further statement.

To adress the statement from the Premier of Falristan and the leader of the Opposition in Roccato,. Of course, i disagree with their idea of separatism. The National Progress Party Firmly believe that the hutorian nation should stay united even if we have to go trough a few more decades of monarchy. But Frankly, I can't blame them for wanting that considering what this governement is doing right now. Of course the governement couldn't possibly expect to destroy the republic and to instaure an autocratic regime with no guidelines whatsoever without creating some amount of division.

The senator talks about irony but can't he see the contradiction in his own rhetorique. How could the Monarch be both a mostly Constitutional and Ceremonial office and the garant of hutorian democracy at the same time? Ther is only two option, or the office of monarch have no power at all, and is thus it's existence is completly useless, or the monarch is all powerfull and it's existence is completly immoral, there is no in between, But of course, there is no way to know for sure wich of the two it will be because, once again, there is no guidelines to this new regime!

The senator has made many direct attack to us and to our own integrity, baseless accusation. To suggest that we would want to make the very idea of monarchism illegal or that me might even want to murder the Steuart-Carmichae family is completly unethical and unworty of this very chamber. To discard all of our arguments as being nothing more than ''Republican Propaganda'' and to accuse us of only being agains't monarchism because ''we lost'' is most dishonest and a dishonor to his position. It this really what we have come to? Has monarchy become so undefendable that the monarchist have to use this kind of tactics in order to protect it?

-Justine Bates
Leader of the National Progress Party and former President

Date15:44:15, April 21, 2019 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageMr. Speaker

As the passage of this Bill is guaranteed we won't bother rubbing salt in the wound; we won.

Senator Charles Murphy
Chairman of the Liberal Royalist Caucus

OOC: For the record you never actually passed the Chart of Executive Power.. you put it up for a debate but never forced a vote on it... so no... the President's powers were never formalized. However as this Bill specifically says restoring the Commonwealth Presidential Model, I'm going to go with this is restoring the Commonwealth as it was written in 4336, which I wrote and of which I am very proud of. But after it's passage I'll gladly show you the Commonwealth Constitution and you can tell me if it sufficiently protects the nation from an overbearing Monarch.

Date05:47:52, April 22, 2019 CET
From National Progress Party
ToDebating the AH-13: Restoration
MessageOOC: For the record, the chart of executive power was technically passed. It was simply attached to the bill that abolished the monarchy as it said: ''Article 1) The executive power of the federal government of the Federal Republic of Hutori shall be held by the President, the Prime Minister and the Cabinet Members according to the Chart of Executive Power''' I believe that something similiar should have been done for this bill but since the ''Bill R-1: The Royal Charter Act'' is about to pass, this is quite irrelevent.

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