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Bill: Justice Act 2208
Details
Submitted by[?]: Bureaucratic Technocracy Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2209
Description[?]:
| An act of restriction for judicial simplicity. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Current: The police may only disperse a crowd if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National policy regarding the desecration of the national flag.
Old value:: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Current: The national flag may not be used for commercial purposes.
Proposed: The national flag may not be desecrated or used for commercial purposes.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: The private sector can set up gated communities.
Current: No gated communities are allowed.
Proposed: No gated communities are allowed.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Current: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Proposed: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The confidentiality of letters and correspondence.
Old value:: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable.
Current: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable, but the justice dept. can violate the confidentiality of letters with grounded cause.
Proposed: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable, but the justice dept. can violate it in extreme situations.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Right to privacy.
Old value:: Individuals have a right to privacy, to keep records and information for themselves.
Current: The government has the right to monitor information of individuals without letting them know.
Proposed: Individuals have a right to privacy, but the courts can force individuals to give information on certain matters if needed. (also known as Habeas Data).
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Current: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Proposed: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Current: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Proposed: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, but these may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:25:56, March 31, 2006 CET | From | Bureaucratic Technocracy Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | This is for the better cause of justice. |
| Date | 22:08:53, March 31, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | With all due respect, BTP, and I know you've introduced good bills in the past this is the kind of thing we could never support. Article 1 has the potential to stifle free speech and democracy. The right to assemble is a basic human right. Article 2 is, quite frankly, ludicrous. If people want to do things or use the Alorian flag why on earth should we stop them? Why force extreme patriotism down their throats? Article 3 is disastorous for the market and attacks freedom. I'm swaying on article 4, I might be able to vote for it in a seperate act. The same goes for article 5 which seems fair. Article 6 we oppose - it's no real skin off our nose if a prisoner doesn't want to work, why make them? Article 7 we can't support as it affects fundemental privacy - the government shouldn't be prying into private affairs. Article 8 we oppose - let's not force patriotism down our childrens' throats. Article 9 we probably woulsn't support. I did a more detailed agument in the hope you'll decide to withdraw this - it's a dangerous bill. |
| Date | 23:19:41, March 31, 2006 CET | From | Bureaucratic Technocracy Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | Now I don't think that's quite right, DLP. For true freedom, the illusion of liberty must be given up. The police and judicial force have a right to know everything for the greater good of the people. Criminals could conceal their hidden doings; they could send illegal items through post and the judicial system could not find out, for example. It is ridiculous to oppose the simple asking of people to co operate with the government and the increase of judicial measures and security. The nation needs to be secure and it must be under a large government, for if the judicial system has too little power, the nation will decend into anarchy and freedom would be lost entirely. It is impossible to say that this is ludicrous. I think that you must reconsider your feelings, DLP. |
| Date | 23:28:05, March 31, 2006 CET | From | Bureaucratic Technocracy Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | Now I don't think that's quite right, DLP. For true freedom, the illusion of liberty must be given up. The police and judicial force have a right to know everything for the greater good of the people. Criminals could conceal their hidden doings; they could send illegal items through post and the judicial system could not find out, for example. It is ridiculous to oppose the simple asking of people to co operate with the government and the increase of judicial measures and security. The nation needs to be secure and it must be under a large government, for if the judicial system has too little power, the nation will decend into anarchy and freedom would be lost entirely. It is impossible to say that this is ludicrous. I think that you must reconsider your feelings, DLP. |
| Date | 13:06:46, April 01, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | Reconsider my feelings? Soo...basically you're asking me to abandon liberalism - not a good idea (it's in my name, you know.) Yes this will mean the police can find out more about people, including criminals. But will this lead to a decrease in crime? Probably not. What it -will- lead to is the police finding out a load of personal information about totally innocent people. Is that fair? No, no it isn't. I hardly think anarchy is likely if we give people freedom and liberties. BTP, it seems to me you're guilty of scaremongering. |
| Date | 17:19:56, April 01, 2006 CET | From | Bureaucratic Technocracy Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | "Individuals have a right to privacy, but the justice can force individuals to give information on certain matters if needed. (also known as Habeas Data)." That is not finding out personal information about totally innocent people. That is finding out personal information about suspected criminals. I am not asking you to abandon liberalism, but it must be seen that F+S=k - Freedom added to Security always amounts to a single constant. Security, therefore, to be high, certain amounts of Freedom must be given up. In fact, high security is in itself freedom: freedom from anarchy, freedom from crime and freedom from atrocities. This whole act serves not only to cure crime, but to prevent it. I'd recommend you read the articles closely. |
| Date | 19:13:09, April 01, 2006 CET | From | Bureaucratic Technocracy Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | There is nothing more to be said on this. Moved to vote. |
| Date | 00:26:10, April 02, 2006 CET | From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | I would be for some of these, but I see this bill as the promotion of communism/fascism. |
| Date | 01:21:29, April 02, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | Nothing more to be said? Please grow up, BTP. Wondered why everyone's opposing this bill? Because it's fascism in the name of 'justice'. It seems to me you want to curb liberties so the state can dominate over all. It seems to me you need to look up 'liberty' in a dictionary. When it boils down to it, BTP, you're just a fascist with a fancy name. |
| Date | 10:37:37, April 02, 2006 CET | From | Bureaucratic Technocracy Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | I always wonder why anarchists presume everyone else is either fascist or communist. |
| Date | 15:28:33, April 02, 2006 CET | From | Alorian National Progress Party | To | Debating the Justice Act 2208 |
| Message | This is a travesty of justice |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 31 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 569 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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