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Bill: Higher Education Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: MLTP (The Resistance)

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2072

Description[?]:

The government of Lodamun shall fund a number (of institutions of higher learning Universities, Colleges, Vocational Schools, et cetera). Tuition for these schools will be fully subsidized by the State.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date23:32:08, June 11, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageHow would these work?
Anyone can go, or is there to be a selective elimination procedure.

Why should they be free? Surely higher education is an investment in the individual and as such the responsibility of that iondividual not of the state. Or are you wanting to create the world's largest supply of Ancient narrrative Poetry analysts?

Date23:39:32, June 11, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageRhetorical questions already?

Date23:41:16, June 11, 2005 CET
FromChorus of Amyst
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageWhile the Council is not opposed to some public universities being created, full subsidies for tuition is out of the question.

Date01:53:52, June 12, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageLodamun should indeed lead the world in anlayzing ancient narrative poetry. Why should we settle for second-best?

It will come as no surprise to parliament to learn that our party will support the creation of public universities. The question of tuition may require more careful consideration.

Date02:06:47, June 12, 2005 CET
FromMLTP (The Resistance)
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
Message"are you wanting to create the world's largest supply of Ancient narrrative Poetry analysts"

You actually raise a legitimate point. Higher education is, by nature, something for only a select percent of the population. However, this selection should be based off of ability/potential. This bill simply subsidizes public education; it doesn't let everyone get it.


To counterbalance the fact that people from any economic sphere can get into a University, entrance exams would need to be very difficult.

Date02:21:53, June 12, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageWe concur with the Amystian Council in that we see no good reason why there should not be universities owned and run by the state. We do however require that these should not be a burden on the tax payer.

If a university can not fund itself, in research, consultancy and tuition fees, then it has no claim on receiving state funding.

What may be acceptable is that individuals could receive state assistance in the form of loans to attend these institutions.


Date02:30:35, June 12, 2005 CET
FromLodamun Centre-Left Coalition
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageThe MLP concurs with the CCF and Amystian Council, and takes a positive stand towards the formation of universities, but full subsidies would not be supported.

Date02:51:14, June 12, 2005 CET
FromChorus of Amyst
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageThe Adam Smith Party's suggestion of loans is certainly agreeable to the Council. Perhaps low-interest loans would be a good way to help those without the economic power to pay their way without going overboard.

Date13:37:39, June 12, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessagePlease define "going overboard"?

Does it mean making higher education accessible to the poor but saddling them with repayments for the rest of their lives?

Are these interest free loans?

As for Adam's meritocracy concept of it being entirely the responsibility of individuals to invest in their own higher education, we're pleasantly surprised by their equanimity. It wasn't on our agenda but if the ASPs propose 100% inheritance tax in order to assure a true meritocracy, we'll back it.

Date18:46:25, June 12, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageIt appears that a bill calling for public universities (which is to say, universities reciecing soem form of sttae funding) would pass easily, as only thr Adam Smith Party has expressed opposition to the concept. We suggest this first proposal be moved to an immediate vote, and the tuition/loan issue be made a separate bill.

Date19:31:01, June 12, 2005 CET
FromChorus of Amyst
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
Message"We concur with the Amystian Council in that we see no good reason why there should not be universities owned and run by the state."

The Adam Smith Party does not actually oppose public universities. The concern of both that party and the Council is simply how much of the cost the government would end up covering.

Date19:40:12, June 12, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageIt does not seem practical to move this to vote without establishing the nature of the service to be provided by such institutions.

If this service is to be funded by the governement the ASP wishes t know which essential services will have their budgets reduced to provide the revenue required?

The nature and scopre of tuition to be provided is also not yet clearly defined.

How shall the standards of these institutions be measured?

"As for Adam's meritocracy concept of it being entirely the responsibility of individuals to invest in their own higher education, we're pleasantly surprised by their equanimity. It wasn't on our agenda but if the ASPs propose 100% inheritance tax in order to assure a true meritocracy, we'll back it."

Where the assets involved are not public, there is no meritocratic requirement. For the government to take assets from individuals and provide these to others requires justification of this act of legalised theft. For an individual to pass his or her assets on to another simply requires an express intention to do so. No justification is required as there is no legalised theft involved. So no, we would not be supporting your misapplied view of meriticracy.

Date21:03:58, June 12, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageActually we didn't ask for your support, we offered to support your misapplied view of meritocracy.

Date19:55:40, June 20, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageHow does the term "meritocracy" apply to allowing individuals to pay their own way?

Date01:04:10, June 25, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Higher Education Act
MessageThis act is supplementary to the State University Authorization motion. As such all it does is attempt to establish free tuition for all, regardless of their means.

As such we oppose it.

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