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Bill: Historical Compromise, 2209
Details
Submitted by[?]: KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2210
Description[?]:
This bill asks for the ratification of the <a href="viewtreaty.php?treatyid=155">The Axis Agreement</a>. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. It includes also the creation of the Kazulianisk Statsförbund Republik. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the The Axis Agreement.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The number of proposals a party can introduce per year (will be handed out as a monthly quota).
Old value:: 15
Current: 20
Proposed: 12
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The maximum proposal quota a party can accumulate.
Old value:: 20
Current: 20
Proposed: 15
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Kunglig majestät
Current: Hans Majestet Magnus, Kasulernes Konge, og hennes Majestet Astrid, Kasulernes Dronning; Akseli ja Soila, Agathan Suuriruhtinas ja Suuriruhtinatar (His Majesty Magnus, King of the Kazulians and Her Majesty Astrid, Queen of the Kazulians; Akseli and Soila, Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Agatha)
Proposed: Republik President
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 99
Current: 250
Proposed: 599
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 12:39:50, April 03, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Wheres the compromise? There 6 things you want, one thing you don't want, not much of a compromise. |
Date | 15:04:19, April 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Actually, we have the Axis agreement on a side, the Republic on the other: as KLP had suggested on precedent proposal. |
Date | 17:44:40, April 03, 2006 CET | From | Northern Light | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | This agreement was already discussed in lenght, and the major party already approved it. |
Date | 18:24:54, April 03, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | this is not what we agreed to. |
Date | 18:55:07, April 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Please? |
Date | 19:03:08, April 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | @KLP: If you mean that the names are not what you propose, this is right. But since the Axis is already on the desk, we can't propose another law which contains this treaty (game mech) :( Also, you had removed your precedent proposal, and we not remember which were the titles proposed. Suggestion: vote yes on this (since elections are too close in order to put another law) and put another law with your titles. |
Date | 22:39:25, April 03, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | No. You tried to screw us over. Not any longer. |
Date | 23:22:43, April 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Sincerly, no. If you put on the desk your proposal, we will approve it. |
Date | 23:59:14, April 03, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | And since your formerly coalition parties will return to have a greater weigth on next elections, this compromise will be never possible, since they will not accept the creation of a Republic. Now we are about 5-1, next election will be 5-3 and it will be moore difficult to do. |
Date | 00:08:23, April 04, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | You obviously tried to fool us, there is no point in denying it. It is your own fault this compromise will fail. |
Date | 00:14:05, April 04, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | If are scared by your formerly coalition parties, its your problem. We had already put our hands for the support of your possible modified law: make it and put on vote and we will support it. |
Date | 00:31:14, April 04, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | The axis treaty was part of our trade, but since you try to introduce the treaty with these other proposals, you were just trying to avoid any compromise at all. But we are not that stupid. |
Date | 04:31:34, April 04, 2006 CET | From | Black Magic | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | And we are not particularly interested in an Axis agreement, nor do we consider a concentration of such power (Article 4) a healthy choice at this time. |
Date | 09:01:26, April 04, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | @KLP: then you want that we propose 2 laws with the compromise splitted? Well, this is impossible: if you want to have Axis, the only way is to have a law which contains also the republic creation. It's not the first time that you were a flip-flop. A law which merges the 2 questions is a grant for all parties. |
Date | 14:09:54, April 04, 2006 CET | From | Northern Light | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Seems like KLP is undef the malign spell of SV again...oh well..Are we out of the axis yet? |
Date | 17:16:44, April 04, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Woohoo |
Date | 18:18:03, April 04, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | The most interesting thing is thatt the greater party of Kazulia is under one of the minor party. |
Date | 20:01:45, April 04, 2006 CET | From | Black Magic | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | They like to try different positions, perhaps . . . |
Date | 12:37:14, April 05, 2006 CET | From | Konservativ Monarkistpartiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | Why is the foul abuse being heaped upon the SV? Having actually done nothing other than use both of our MP's to vote no, I am surprised that the KSP seem to think the SV exert control over other larger parties. However what is interesting is that the HoG of Kazulia comes from a minor party. |
Date | 14:34:05, April 05, 2006 CET | From | Klassiskt Liberala Partiet | To | Debating the Historical Compromise, 2209 |
Message | well well well, KSP, get your facts straight. firstly, i clearly stated in my bill, that my proposed compromise was only created under the impression that both SV and RF were inactive. maybe i should have waited a bit longer, but i realized that I won't have a chance at defending the monarchy alone against 4 other parties, so i tried to pass a compromise so i could at least safe some things. This of course has changed with the return of the two parties mentioned before. and secondly, we would have pushed through the compromise if you had introduced the axis treaty in an agreeable manner. But we couldn't tolerate your treacherous attempt at passing your own prefered constitutional settings without needing any compromise at all. Your poor attempts to mock me won't hide the fact that the only one who screwed this up is you - go blame yourself, not me. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||
yes | Total Seats: 38 | |||
no | Total Seats: 39 | |||
abstain | Total Seats: 22 |
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