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Bill: Adoption Act 2212
Details
Submitted by[?]: Centre Démocratique
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2214
Description[?]:
| To limit the government's role in private adoption. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning adoption.
Old value:: Adoption is strictly regulated by the government. Only by passing several tests and by following an intensive program applicants can adopt children.
Current: Adoption policy is to be established by local governments.
Proposed: Adoption is regulated by private, recognised organisations.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:45:30, April 09, 2006 CET | From |  Socialists Fury | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | I don't like it.... |
| Date | 14:10:05, April 09, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | Now, I like provate industry, but I would not call adoption an "industry," there are human lives at stake. C's P, this is so unlike you. Why do finally want privatized industry? In the past, you have always been so "regulate," "government ownership," "business is evil." Why do you chose now to turn around??? Or, perhaps this is a plot of some sort? |
| Date | 14:16:21, April 09, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | Maybe you are trying to look more less socialistic in our mostly capitalistic country and at the same time make us look like regulators? You knew before this bill was made that I would not vote for it. That is playing dirty politics indeed. I know someone who did the same thing you are doing with religion; he shares many of your stances. Maybe this politics playing is typical of socialists. I do not like it. |
| Date | 18:14:57, April 09, 2006 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | Where in this proposal do I call adoption an industry? When have I ever said business is evil? When have I ever called myself a socialist or joined socialist organizations? For the past sixty years the Citizens Party has called for centrist policies, advocated limited, efficient government to some degree, while also agreeing to generous social services? I don't know how long anyone else has been here, but it is well known we are part of the common-sense center. I have no idea how anyone would vote on this bill before I proposed. I think somone is getting a little paranoid. The only "dirty politics" I've seen in Jelbania is ridiculous accusations coming from the Conservatives. |
| Date | 20:21:29, April 09, 2006 CET | From | Jelbék Zemojad Lofrkad Prta | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | The DLP would in fact advocate some de-regulation of adoption. After all, most couples can conceive. We do not regulate this - there's no test to become a parent. For those that can't, an overly rigorous and invasive adoption system seems unnecessary. |
| Date | 22:56:49, April 09, 2006 CET | From | Centrist Democratic Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | We believe the DLP makes an excellent point, but while we cannot decide who has a baby and who doesn't, I think there should be some responsibility in giving a child - a living human being - to an individual who may do it harm. |
| Date | 00:45:48, April 10, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | C's P, I realize that you prefer less government, but privatizing adoption??? To show you how I was thinking, what if I suddenly put up a bill to give all industry to the state? You would think I was up to something or other, no? Same deal with me. I am a bit iffy on this one. I will think about it. |
| Date | 16:05:37, April 10, 2006 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | This bill would allows "recognized" organizations, privately-run charities to coordinate the adoption process. I though perhaps removing this important process out of government bureaucracy might be a positive thing. |
| Date | 16:08:57, April 10, 2006 CET | From | Centre Démocratique | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | Conservatives: we understand your point. But if we wanted to be all-powerful dictatorial party we would passed a bunch of crazy laws when we had a complete majority a few years ago. It is not our intention to decieve or to engage in "dirty politics." |
| Date | 03:28:30, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | I apologize. I did know someone that tried to pass 5 anti-religion acts just to look secular and force the others to look religious. That kind of thing makes me a little paranoid. On the bill, I do understand your point and have decided to support it. |
| Date | 04:07:43, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Jelbék Zemojad Lofrkad Prta | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | The DLP requests that rather than having adoption regulated by private organisations (why this is necessary we cannot understand) instead it merely be reduced. A simpler check to weed out undesirables and child-abusers is all that is needed. Why private companies would be better at regulating abortion and not the government we simply cannot understand. |
| Date | 19:29:55, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | It happens. If the government gives children to child malestors, the people cannot leave. If a private organization give a child to a child malestor, people will not support that organization. |
| Date | 14:25:40, April 13, 2006 CET | From | Jelbék Zemojad Lofrkad Prta | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | That is absolute hogwash. |
| Date | 00:38:49, April 15, 2006 CET | From | Centrist Democratic Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | "If the government gives children to child malestors, the people cannot leave" True, but they can protest and ask for reform, or go through the proper channels to get it changed. We are a democracy, we're not bound by decisions and if mistakes are made they can be corrected to make the people happy. If a private adoption agency makes a mistake they can very well ignore the complaints. You say people will leave that organization - but then what becomes of the child? They're still stuck with who they are, and if the company crashes or other circumstances along those lines, then what becomes of them and their record? What happens when an adoption agency crashes? What becomes of the children? |
| Date | 03:36:12, April 15, 2006 CET | From | Free Conservative Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | It is a private, recognized organization. I assume that means the government decides which organizations get chosen and therefore which organizations not to give the children to. If that organization does give children to child malestors, people will protest and the government will change it. This way is just more simple and probably more beneficial to the children. |
| Date | 21:24:54, April 15, 2006 CET | From | Centrist Democratic Party | To | Debating the Adoption Act 2212 |
| Message | Given the Conservative Party's tendencies to let companies do as they wish, we sincerely doubt they would support such a thing. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 347 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 154 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: In order for a Cabinet bill to pass, more than half of the legislature must vote for it and all of the parties included in the proposed Cabinet must support it. If your nation has a Head of State who is also the Head of Government, then the party controlling this character must also vote for the bill, since the Head of Government is also a member of the Cabinet. If any of these requirements are not met, the bill will not pass. |
| Random quote: "If a female president can come here and be treated equally, why can't any other woman?" - Jewell C. Stillman, former Lourennais politician (on equal rights in Badara) |