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Bill: Constitutional Convention of 4730
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Democratico Liberale Nazionale
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4762
Description[?]:
| RECOGNIZING that the current Istalian political structure is dividing the nation and is causing our political system to be highly polarized, partially fueling hate and encouraging government inactivity the PDLN PROPOSES the formation of a constitutional committee consisting of 2 representatives of each party, no matter their size, and 1 representative from the major institutions in the country AND a representative from the crown that will be tasked into looking for a form of government that will appeal to the majority of Istalians, respect the rule of law, respect democracy and democratic institutions and traditions AND decrease the polarization and hostility currently in our political system. (OOC: Every party has two representatives. The crown also has one which is represented by Axxell (National Alliance for the Empire) Upon the passing of this bill the name of the nation shall be changed to: Federazione Imperiale Istaliano (Istalia) Upon the passing of this bill a provision to the constitution will be added which states: regions within the Imperial Federation will have far stretching autonomy to legislate and enforce their own law and manage their own police forces. The Federal Government must ALWAYS preserve this autonomy for the regions and may not centralize authority to a major degree. Only with laws of great importance the federal government is free to legislate them on a federal level. Federal laws overwrite regional laws but regions CAN decide not to enforce federal law. However, National Parliament can veto a regional law and enforce Federal Law on regional land with a 2/3rd majority vote in parliament. The monarchy, currently led by Emperor Tommaso Hassan, will wave its position as head of state and will instead become a symbol. This will be its only duty, a symbol of the nation, they will gain a yearly payment to maintain their palaces and substain themselves. The Imperial President will take the role of HoS and HoG. The Imperial President is however obligated to inform the former HoS (the emperor) on state bussiness AT LEAST once every month but the monarch may not involve itself in managing state affairs in any way. The Imperial President will be BOUND BY LAW to propose a cabinet that has a majority but should also make sure that he or she should not unfairly favor their own party. He or she is BOUND BY LAW to form a cabinet as objectively as possible. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Sua Eccellentissima Maestà Imperiale, Tommaso I Hassan, per volontà della Nazione e la Costituzione dell'Impero, Imperatore degli Istaliani, Protettore e Garante della Costituzione, Difensore dei Valori Democratici, Comandante Supremo delle Forze Armate Imperiali d'Istalia (His Most Excellent Imperial Majesty, Tommaso I Hassan, by the Will of the Nation and the Constitution of the Empire, Emperor of the Istalians, Protector and Guarantor of the Constitution, Defender of the Democratic Values, Supreme Commander of the Imperial Armed Forces of Istalia)
Current: Presidente d'Istalia (President of Istaly)
Proposed: Sua Eccellentissima Maestà Imperiale, Tommaso I Hassan, per volontà della Nazione e la Costituzione dell'Impero, Imperatore degli Istaliani, Protettore e Garante della Costituzione, Difensore dei Valori Democratici, Comandante Supremo delle Forze Armate Imperiali d'Istalia (His Most Excellent Imperial Majesty, Tommaso I Hassan, by the Will of the Nation and the Constitution of the Empire, Emperor of the Istalians, Protector and Guarantor of the Constitution, Defender of the Democratic Values, Supreme Commander of the Imperial Armed Forces of Istalia) represented by the Imperial President
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:58:13, March 25, 2020 CET | From | Partito Democratico Liberale Nazionale | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Welcome everyone, The PDLN hereby presents its first draft to this convention. In this draft the monarchy will lose its role as HoS. Removing its influence from government affairs in its entirety and instead purely making it a symbol for the people to look up to. Instead the proposed Imperial President will take over state duties and become both HoS and HoG. He shall be the universally elected executive leader of the nation in this draft. The Imperial Family will receive a yearly grant to maintain themselves and their palaces but will, in no other way, influence state functions anymore. The Emperor will however have to be informed of state activities by the Imperial President at least every month to ensure he remains informed. He can however under no circumstance involve himself in state bussiness or give advice to the Imperial President. In addition to this the draft also includes provisions to hand far reaching autonomy to the individual states, giving them their own fully sovereign parliament, police force and executive and the right to draft, pass and enforce their own laws. In this draft regions will also have the right to ignore Federal law, Federal agencies can however still enforce those laws if necessary. The name of the nation shall also be changed to the "Imperial Federation of Istalia" to allign better to its new federal style of government. The convention is now opened. And we look forward to the input of other parties and the crown. We ourselves believe this is a good compromise that is acceptable to both monarchists and republicans. We hope some of you, and preferably all, agree with that. Alexandro Cortez, Parliamentary Leader of the PDLN and chair of the constitutional committee |
| Date | 16:57:35, March 25, 2020 CET | From | Blocco della Sinistra | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Assembly, This draft does not satisfy Republican needs at all, no matter how many nice words there are in it. In fact, now the people will have to support an imperial family that will contribute nothing to our society. While we support this step towards the federalization of our nation, we do not consider this proposal to be viable or beneficial until it is the people who, by direct vote, elect their Heads of State and Government. Nadia Strada General Secretary of the Left Bloc |
| Date | 17:23:32, March 25, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Assembly, The OFF is commonly known as being indifferent towards the monarchy or republic. Our members see in general the Patriarch as Supreme Leader of the Terra. However, we believe that the proposed reform is a more democratic improvement and the OFF supports the delegation of powers to the regions. A very attractive idea, I must admit. Though, I do have a question about an aspect to whom our much esteemded Colleague of the BdF is referring at and the OFF wants this to be clarified. Will the Imperial President be elected by the people ? Thank you, Victor Martello (MP), OFF partyleader |
| Date | 18:02:57, March 25, 2020 CET | From | Partito Democratico Liberale Nazionale | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Honourable colleagues, Yes. The Imperial President will be a directly elected leader. Directly elected by the people. In this form of government we propose there will no longer be a monarch as head of state. I would like to ask the BdS members what they would like to see in this form of government? Please keep in mind we are trying to find a balance and compromise between the two sides. What if we have the members of the Imperial Family do charity work in the name of the state? Through foundations that will manage charity work all accross the nation. This way the Imperial Family still aids those in need within the nation and the Republicans get a directly elected HoS/HoG. I look forward to the response. Alexandro Cortez, Parliamentary leader of the PDLN and chair of the constitutional committee |
| Date | 18:35:21, March 25, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Popolare | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Assembly, Quite honestly, for us it is not the matter of monarchy or republic, it is the matter of centralization or devolution. We will never accept a Istalia who's powers are diminished for independent regions. Let's say one region has a law that gives great benefits to the people, while another has the total opposite, then that will only cause divide and anger and resentment towards each other and between regions. To say this, in actuality, we do not have a problem with a "Imperial Federation of Istalia", IF it were the case that Federal laws would stand superior to laws which regions can legislate and these Federal laws should be enforced at the moment of their passing through out all regions. The government should also have the power to enforce which ever law they deems as necessary (except undemocratic ones of course) through out all regions, for the sake of equality between all peoples in all regions. In simple terms, we will not stand to watch Istalia be divided into independent countries, the "federal government" must have the authority if necessary to enforce laws to balance the equality and democratic rights in all regions, whether the regional governments like it or not. Thank you. Augusto Amadeo Leader of the Populists |
| Date | 07:19:15, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Committee, To the raised worries of the FP, I would like to suggest that certain policies should be national: Foreign Policy (certain Treaties are exluded), Finance (monetary- and tax policies) and Defence (general policy, war declarations and army policies). However, to implement regional policies the OFF believe that all Treaties should be evaluated. We propose that Istalia should withdraw from every Treaty which has restricting articles included . These Treaties restrict regions to much from implementing their wished laws. Thank you, Maria Conzelli (MP) OFF 2nd member of the Constitutional Committee |
| Date | 11:46:49, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Blocco della Sinistra | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Committee, If there's to be an elected Head of State, then the law on the HoS shall be changed and proposed here. Vittorio Santini BdS member of the Constitutional Committee |
| Date | 13:12:09, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Volkspartij van Nationale Unie | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Committee, Member of the BdS. If im not mistaken it is already proposed here. Please take a look at the proposal. Thank you. For the member of the Populists, we understand your concern, however, we believe this is a good compromise. While our party agrees with you there are others who do not. So we ask the Populists to reconsider and move towards the others in this negotiation. Alexandro Cortez, Parliamentary leader of the PDLN and Chair of the constitutional committee |
| Date | 13:12:37, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Volkspartij van Nationale Unie | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | OOC: Oops, typed this here with my other account, sorry for the inconvenience |
| Date | 16:39:59, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Nazionale | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Mr Speaker and members of the Assembly, understanding the hopes behind this proposals by PDLN, despite our ideas about the HoS, we wanted to show to our colleagues from PDLN a certain openess toward this comprimise. However, we realized actually that our most important concerns goes to the idea of the Federazione Imperiale Istaliana (OOC: IstalianA). Actually, the purpose which pushed for so long time many representatives of the nation to increase devolution, hoping indeed also for a federation, was the will to create most powerful political figures within the nation to oppose the Emperor. A part a several other political and ideological motivations, the one that I mentioned was the main focus of those proposing such ideas. For this reason, we don't think that Istalia and the Istalians need of such a veritable federation, but also because actually there are no historical or social or ethnic or religious motivations behind this proposal. Istalia for centuries and more has been a unitary nation, not only politically or administratively. It is true, regional traditions has been always part of our society, but this never overwhelmed the clear fact that Istalia has been and is one and that Istalians are a single people. Even the majatran istalians actually never feel the need to split from their fellow non majatran Istalians. Really, currently, evaluating this proposal, we are more open to accept a directly elected high representative of the crown than seeing Istalia fragmented considering the Will behind this federalization. We could even accept a serious and structurated devolution program to assure on some important matters a large authonomy for the regions, but we have serious concerns about this federalization and about the real need of this project. Thank you - Ghassan Dabaas, ANI's Leader |
| Date | 17:26:37, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Popolare | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Committee, Stepping away from centralization and devolution for a moment, we fully support a Head of State elected by the people, whom is also Head of Government, while at the same time keeping the Imperial Family and the Emperor as mere symbols of the nation. Because a single elected national figure can never truly unite the people, they have their own political agendas and ideas which will, no matter how much they try, conflict with others. Thus having both an elected figure who governs the nation and a symbolic figure who can stay non-partisan would be, in our opinion, the best way to go. Now again with centralization and devolution, if such a project like the Imperial Federation would take place, we find the proposals by the OFF of having certain policies being national to be a very good proposal and would be one of our conditions for supporting a Imperial Federation. We still believe that the National Assembly of the Imperial Federation should be able to veto regional laws with perhaps a 2/3rd of the vote, if the Assembly would consider the regional laws to be undemocratic or too unequal for the citizens compared to the other region's laws. But in reality it comes down to this, that we fully support the thinking of Mr. Dabaas of the National Alliance and that the Populists will always support a centralized and unitary state and nation. Thank you. August Amadeo Leader of the Populists |
| Date | 21:27:28, March 26, 2020 CET | From | Partito Popolare Osiano | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Colleagues we cannot support such federalizafion. We foreseethe increase in difference of standard living of services of welfare and alsoof rights for our citizens. About the Head of state we have concerns about a strong elected leader and the decrease in centrality of the parliament but we could find a solution on thisbut aabout the federalization we are totally against. Piero Bini |
| Date | 12:58:43, March 27, 2020 CET | From | Blocco della Sinistra | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | The Left Bloc is willing to support this constitutional change as long as the federalization is kept. We do support the idea of the Populist Faction that the national Assembly can veto regional laws only with the support of 2/3 of the Chamber. Vittorio Santini BdS member of the Constitutional Committee |
| Date | 09:34:42, March 28, 2020 CET | From | Partito Democratico Liberale Nazionale | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Would the Populist Faction find a change like this acceptable? Putting in that the National Assembly can veto regional laws with the support of 2/3rds of the chamber? Alexandro Cortez, Parliamentary leader of the PDLN and Chair of the constitutional committee |
| Date | 10:38:40, March 28, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | As said earlier on: to implement regional policies the OFF believe that all Treaties should be evaluated. We propose that Istalia should withdraw from every Treaty which has restricting articles included . These Treaties restrict regions too much from implementing their wished legislation. Maria Conzelli (MP) OFF 2nd member of the Constitutional Committee |
| Date | 15:47:12, March 28, 2020 CET | From | Alleanza Popolare | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Mr Cortez of the PDLN, IF the Imperial Federation would happen, then our largest condition would be that the National Assembly should be able to veto regional laws. But that is if the project would be made a reality, we do however, not waver from our stance of a strong centralized state. Augusto Amadeo Leader of the Populists Member of the Constitutional Committee |
| Date | 07:56:11, April 06, 2020 CET | From | Ordine, Fede e Famiglia | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | Members of the Committee, I would like to continue our discussion. Would it be acceptable when: * the People determine the Imperial President in free elections; * this House can veto regional laws when a 2/3 majority is achieved. My party is willing to drop our demand to review all Treaties. I've made a separate bill in order to vote on a compromise (in the event that this might occur) http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=620307 Victor Martello (MP), OFF partyleader OFF 1st member of the Constitutional Committee |
| Date | 21:48:50, May 26, 2020 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Constitutional Convention of 4730 |
| Message | OOC: Archiving. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 681 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "If you cannot convince a fascist, acquaint his head with the pavement." - Leon Trotsky |