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Bill: OOC: What does Luthori look like to you?
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4927
Description[?]:
| When you picture Luthori in the world of Particracy, how do you see it being (in all senses that implies: politically, culturally, geographically, etc.)? I've recently been considering this for developing our nation's background/worldbuilding/'lore'/etc. I'll add some of my own thoughts in the debate section, but I'd like to hear from all of you. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:49:02, April 25, 2021 CET | From | Country Party of Luthori | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | I see it as a remix of England with a tad of crazy religious political parties. |
| Date | 10:41:43, April 25, 2021 CET | From | National Confession Party | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | I personally don’t see it as or want it to be a one for one copy of England. Geographically, it depends on what part of Luthori I’m thinking about. I see the southern part of Luthori as highlands, and the northern part as mountainous. The coastal regions I think are more like Dover in England. |
| Date | 16:59:44, April 25, 2021 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | My ideas: Luthori is a sparse country, twelve times the size of England (not Britain). In terms of density the countryside looks more like rural Spain, Bulgaria, or Romania (https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/figures/fragmentation-pressure-and-population-density) than a western European country. In terms of what it physically looks like, think the Yorkshire Moors and Dales, the Lake and Peak Districts meet the East European Plain and (in more densely populated areas especially) Central Russian Upland. It is a country where politicians take the overnight train with its corridor-compartment coaches and slam doors from Fort William back to their constituencies at seven in the evening to arrive before midday (this is an estimate, I can't find actual distances for Particracy). There are few motorways and virtually all intercity travel is done by rail. In this and many other ways it is a country that to the outside world is stuck in the past. Luthori is England (not Britain), and it is the England of Agatha Christie. |
| Date | 21:38:19, April 25, 2021 CET | From | Luthori People's Party | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | Its basically culturarly southern england with a much more prominant anglican religiosity thrown in |
| Date | 22:42:05, April 25, 2021 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | This one's based on very old RP and the ideology of the regions: Luthori has a significant divide between the (comparatively) conservative duchies of Northriding, Orange, and Erneshire and the (even more comparatively) liberal duchies of Shipleyriding and Middenriding. Much of Shipleyriding and Middenriding has a maritime trading culture akin to that of the Netherlands (the first expeditions to the New World of Seleya and Dovani were launched from here), with many rivers, improvements to those rivers, and canals allowing inland cities to prosper thanks to this. In addition to this outward-looking heritage, they were and are more religiously pluralist than the inland regions, with non-Lutheran (currently the in-game term is 'Luthoran', but it's a bit confusing) (traditionally the Luthori church was Lutheran rather than Anglican, back when Luthori was an English-German mix and not the exclusively English nation it became after 2013) Protestants and even Aurorians (RL: Catholics) (though most of the latter emigrated after the civil wars in the 2500s, see http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=301602). Basically my idea is that the strength of secularism here is more down to a belief in separation of church of state (see the Baptists) than atheism. |
| Date | 22:49:39, April 25, 2021 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | Also to clarify: the Church of Luthori I don't think (but I can't find information for certain) had any particular, exact RL equivalent. From what I can gather, there were different traditions similar to the RL 'high church' and 'low church' in Anglicanism; this *maybe* was represented by an Anglican 'high church', a Lutheran 'middle church', and an evangelical 'low church'. Originally when it was first started in 2132 there was an Anglo-Catholic 'High Church' and a Presbyterian 'Low Church'. |
| Date | 18:37:09, May 31, 2021 CET | From | Empire Forwards! (EF!) | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | If it's described as "a sparse country, twelve times the size of England (not Britain). In terms of density the countryside looks more like rural Spain, Bulgaria, or Romania" then I can imagine the culture being quite different to English culture. Much of English culture is built upon the fact that there are many of us crammed into a small space. This has a great impact on openness and interpersonal relationships. So I suppose Luthorians would be a lot more open and friendly with each other than real life Englishmen. People would say hello to each other in the street and such. If the nation is as large as described, I see railways as having a huge impact on culture. Perhaps our dominant method of transit despite airplanes and such. I like Ord's ideas about the overnight train and what not. The England of Agathe Christie sounds alright to me. |
| Date | 19:11:50, May 31, 2021 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the OOC: What does Luthori look like to you? |
| Message | While Luthori would be pretty sparse, like Spain's urban areas where it is populated it's probably as crowded as England, so I don't think much would change there. And yes - I've always imagined Luthori as not having much of an air culture despite the long distances involved in travel. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 67 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 83 |
| Random fact: The majority of nations in Particracy are "Culturally Protected" with an established cultural background. Only the "Culturally Open" nations are not bound by the rules surrounding culture. The Cultural Protocols Index should be consulted for more information about the cultural situation of each nation. |
| Random quote: "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." - Jean Chretien (describing the level of proof about weapons of mass destruction that Canada required to join the Iraq War) |