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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of October 5038
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Federal Whig Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 5039
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Progressive People's Party of Beluzia
Article 3
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the 
The Federal Whig Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Progressive People's Party of Beluzia
Article 6
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the The Federal Whig Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Progressive People's Party of Beluzia
Article 9
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the The Federal Whig Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the The Federal Whig Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:38:19, December 05, 2021 CET | From | The Federal Whig Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | The people have spoken and have provided the left-wing parties a larger majority than before. A governing coalition cannot be formed without one of the three left-wing parties joining the right-wingers. This Cabinet is made up of socially and economically progressive parties that have saved Beluzia from the disasters of the right for years and will continue to do so. Not only have the left-wingers taken a majority in Parliament, but a left-winger has been re-elected to the presidency, re-emphasizing that the people of Beluzia desire the dominance of left-wing parties. |
| Date | 05:29:38, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | My party believes that the Social Federal patty shouldn’t be the one proposing a cabinet but it should be the Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party that proposes a new cabinet since they have won the presidency and the most seats in the legislature. |
| Date | 12:14:47, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Beluzian People's Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | This is all just a trick to have a cabinet that will ruin what the richtists fixed. |
| Date | 14:07:25, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Traditionalist Party of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | We agree with the Liberals for the first and last time since they are the president |
| Date | 14:08:55, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Traditionalist Party of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | Also Socialists we are the 2nd largest party and gained a few seats, and we are a right wing party, therefore we must be part of the coalition. |
| Date | 14:52:24, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Traditionalist Party of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | How are we supposed to make a functioning cabinet when we can't even agree on who can be in the cabinet this country is dying, we are politically tearing apart and it's sad. |
| Date | 15:04:00, December 05, 2021 CET | From | The Federal Whig Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | Just because you have a large number of seats does not mean that you are automatically part of the coalition. What would you have us do if we, the leftists, were forced to work with fascists like the BPP? Fascism and democracy do not mix. |
| Date | 15:32:14, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | OOC: Can we stop using labels that can mean all kinds of things to describe one another? No offence, but I feel like I'm playing a game with a bunch of Americans who only belittle and label people certain things without having a rational, informed debate about things. I've worked with the Liberal Party in the past, and they have been good coalition partners. but this stuff about right wing, fascist doesn't make sense to me because just because someone has economically liberal policies doesn't make them right wing. Right wing economics is basically libertarian capitalism and a far cry from liberal economics. Fascist has all kinds of connotations so it would be great if we don't use it to describe people we might agree with on some things and disagree on others. Unless they're really racially, socially ignorant and discriminatory, then we can call them fascists. And also can we stop throwing around the label of socialism as if it were some kind of big baddy because socialism is not one ideology, there are multiple variants and not all are what people think 'socialism' is, that is Stalinism, Maoism and all that autocratic bullshit. The number of times I have had to tell people that socialism is not Stalinism and Maoism pisses me off greatly so it would be great if people read up on what socialism actually is and also its variants before labelling one another. And with regards to the Cabinet, at this point I don't know whether I want to partner with anyone because you are all arguing amongst yourselves over topics (ideologies, who is lazier: poor people or rich people) which really don't have any relevance to putting out legislation. Furthermore there are parties who debate simplistically and generalise their arguments without any facts to back arguments up so that to me does not warrant competence in putting out govt legislation. Additionally, just because one is the second largest party and you've gained seats does not mean you are automatically part of a coalition unless a party approaches you or you have already made a decision prior to the election to work with a certain party. For example, just because the CDU in Germany became the second largest party in the recent election didn't mean that the SPD decided to work with them because the SPD already made clear that they were not going to continue the grand coalition with them. Real life politics is not simply about this party has the most seats, so they should have a place in Cabinet, there's other considerations such as whether parties are compatible, whether there are laws that parties can agree on while disagreeing on others etc. I know what I have said sounds harsh, but if you guys could sort yourselves out and not constantly argue over irrelevant things and come to some sort of arrangement then that would be great. I hope that you will take heed of what I have said. Thanks |
| Date | 15:33:48, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | OOC: Furthermore, I've been playing this game for more than 5 years, longer than most of you, so if you guys have any concerns, questions etc you can always talk to me. |
| Date | 15:46:13, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | OOC: Why are people making the situation worse by putting out messages to the nation that only antagonise people more. Like is everything I have said just trash |
| Date | 17:22:01, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Traditionalist Party of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | I hate to admit it but the UBWP is right, unless we can arrange and sort out our differences instead of arguing it would be amazing ive tried to message some of you about these issues and sort out differences and i will continue doing that. |
| Date | 17:34:10, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | The UBWP will not be forming a coalition with any party until differences between the bickering parties can be resolved. For the time being, the UBWP will act as caretaker government until the current impasse is resolved. OOC: Furthermore, it would be great if parties do not use my decision as a starting point for irrational criticism, insults, name-calling and other negativities because at the end of the day, this is a game. And while this is a game, It is best if we be civil to one another and act like we're proper politicians rather than people who make a fuss about everything |
| Date | 19:22:52, December 05, 2021 CET | From | Traditionalist Party of Beluzia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 5038 |
| Message | ok |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 98 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 652 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Real-life religions should not be referenced in Particracy. Terra has its own religions, many of which mirror real-life ones. See: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Illustrated_Catalogue_of_Religion |
| Random quote: "He who will not economize will have to agonize." - Confucius |