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Bill: A womans right to choose
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Democrat Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2230
Description[?]:
| Woman should be allowed to choose what to do with there bodies. The supreme court has decided that a fetus is not a human being under the law thus has no rights under the law as a human being would. We have no right to prevent woman from having this procedure carried out. And I bet all of us are men and I also dont believe that men are in the right position to make this decision for a woman. Personally I am against abortions, however I dont feel its the Governments place to tell a woman what she can and cant do with here body |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:12:16, May 17, 2006 CET | From |  Liberal Democrat Party | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | This is always a contentious issue however we believe that woman always have the right to choose. It is an important issue for woman and we believe they deserve this right to make there own decision for them as human beings. As the CRF will try and claim science can allow embroys to live outside a woman, this is not the case. A fetus needs certain conditions to live and scientists cannot provide this, thats why suragacy is required for some woman who have an inhospitable enviroment to care for a child within there womb. |
| Date | 07:28:41, May 17, 2006 CET | From | Social Devolutionist | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | I support the legislation and commend the LDP for taking a lead on what is a contentious but very important issue. |
| Date | 07:50:36, May 17, 2006 CET | From | Vanuku Nationalists Party | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | No Support. I commend the LDP for sucking up too everyone so well. |
| Date | 10:33:46, May 17, 2006 CET | From | dAda rEvoluTion | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | support |
| Date | 17:20:43, May 17, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Republican Federalists | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | Science has proven that they can maintain a fetus outside the womb even as early as the second or third trimester. If that is the case, then the courts were wrong in declaring that the fetus was not a human being. If the courts were wrong then we're talking about not the woman's body but about a completely separate body. Secondly, why shouldn't men have a right in helping the woman make a decision about an abortion? They were also part of the conception process. Thirdly, if the woman decides to keep the child and they aren't married why should the woman demand child support from her sexual partner when he didn't have a right of decision in the first place as to whether she would or would not keep the baby. Women can't have it both ways. Lastly, the only reason why women want abortions is so that they can have it as a form of birth control of last resort. This is not ethically right especially when there are so many ways for a woman not to get pregnant. The law as it stands keeps abortion legal but only in case of emergencies. |
| Date | 17:20:48, May 17, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Republican Federalists | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | Science has proven that they can maintain a fetus outside the womb even as early as the second or third trimester. If that is the case, then the courts were wrong in declaring that the fetus was not a human being. If the courts were wrong then we're talking about not the woman's body but about a completely separate body. Secondly, why shouldn't men have a right in helping the woman make a decision about an abortion? They were also part of the conception process. Thirdly, if the woman decides to keep the child and they aren't married why should the woman demand child support from her sexual partner when he didn't have a right of decision in the first place as to whether she would or would not keep the baby. Women can't have it both ways. Lastly, the only reason why women want abortions is so that they can have it as a form of birth control of last resort. This is not ethically right especially when there are so many ways for a woman not to get pregnant. The law as it stands keeps abortion legal but only in case of emergencies. |
| Date | 20:55:15, May 17, 2006 CET | From | Social Devolutionist | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | I feel obliged to address the arguments put forward by the CRF member. I see that it has been posted twice, unfortunately it makes no more sense the second time around. In the first instance the member quotes science. He points out that the fetus is viable as early as the second or third trimester. This is not disputed, but if we accept his argument then surely it follows that it is not viable within the first trimester. The legislation proposes legal termination within the first trimester. His own logic argues for the legislative change. (he mentions the courts. I am not aware of the courts of Vanuku having ruled on this issue) His second point is a good one, a father of an unborn baby is no less a father and has a right to be consultedin decisions as to its delivery or not. But there may be occassions when the father and mother will disagree, and i would propose that in such situations the decision must rest with the woman who's body supports the child. It would be ludicrous to suggest that a father could force the mother to have an abortion against her will, it is just as ludicrous to suggest that the father be able to force the mother to a full term delivery. His third point is no point at all in this debate. We are not debating child support. I am concerned however that his comments (though he rails against women having it both ways) wants to have it both ways for men. He wants the right for fathers to block abortions, but also the right to pay no child support when a mother goes through with a pregnancy. Lastly To suggest that women want abortions only as a means of birth control, is spurious, misogynistic, and hateful. It is a generalisation that does himself and his party no credit. The honorable member seems to feel that the size of his electoral mandate gives him carte blanche to defame 50% of vanuku's citizens. It does not, and In the spirit of open debate i would ask the Honourable member to withdraw his 'last' comment. |
| Date | 06:40:02, May 19, 2006 CET | From | Vanuku Socialist Left Alliance | To | Debating the A womans right to choose |
| Message | We As A Party Strongly Support This Bill We Also Congratulate The LDP On This Bill |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 267 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 188 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 105 |
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