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Bill: Refugee Rights Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Militant Labour Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2069
Description[?]:
In the true spirit of internationalism and human solidarity, the Militant Tendency proposes that all restrictions on movement of humans through our borders should be abolished and, in recognition of their valuable contribution to society, refugees should be given aid to help with their social integration. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; no aid is given to them.
Current: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; they are given integration-aid.
Proposed: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 15:06:35, June 19, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | We have barely enough resources to support our own population. We already have an influx of people from Gaduridos. We say no. |
Date | 15:45:36, June 19, 2005 CET | From | stopped | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Whe think it is not social to accept everybody to this country. The richest people in the porest and most instable country's have the most abillity and reason to come to our country. That means that capital and talent is drained from those country's. Braindrain leads to more poverty. It would be better to give more developement aid. |
Date | 15:45:45, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Sanctaphrax Party (Mod) | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | The logic behind making the situation as it is was that this way, oppressive regimes could be escaped, or victims of extreme poverty could be given a fresh start, but just letting anyone who wants in would be too big a strain on our resources. |
Date | 16:02:45, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | We agree that brain-drain is an important factor in the movement of workers and, therefore, propose that this Act should be in conjunction with increased aid to poorer countries. |
Date | 16:10:11, June 19, 2005 CET | From | stopped | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | I think that aid will not be enough. It would be as affective as a drop off water on a hot plate. It's not the solution for the problem of braindrain. |
Date | 16:15:06, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Providing proper funding for education programmes and public services in poorer countries will prevent brain-drain. |
Date | 16:15:46, June 19, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | No. |
Date | 16:29:25, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | The Socialist Party assertion that "we have barely enough resources to support our own population" ignores the problem in areas in several Hutorian provinces of low birth-rates and aging populations. |
Date | 16:38:18, June 19, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Really? Which provinces? Please, point us where you got those statistics. We think you are just pulling them out of your arse, excuse my Dorvikian, to suit your own needs. |
Date | 16:50:31, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Ruthlessly Random Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | We are actually having problems with unemployment, as seen by the closure of the DAC.Inc. factory. Of the first proposal, another act is under debate concerning that issue. |
Date | 16:54:42, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Research by the Department of Population Studies at the University of Central Falristan has suggested that birth rates in 2 areas in South-East Falristan and another area in South-West Kenai have fallen as low as 9.8 per 1,000 population. Given that the death rate is currently between 10.0 to 10.4 per 1,000 population in these areas, this demonstrates the need for either internal or external migration into these areas. |
Date | 16:59:38, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | In light of the RRP's legitimate criticism, the first proposal has been removed. |
Date | 17:05:47, June 19, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | You might notice, MT, that these areas also have the highest concentration of homosexual citizens. Thus it is not suprising. I am sorry, but your statistics are biased, and the bill is not going to happen. |
Date | 17:31:12, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | So the SP concedes that there is a population problem in these areas. Does the SP therefore commit itself to a programme of either internal or external migration, or is it simply prepared to leave things as they are in the hope that the problem will go away? |
Date | 17:37:43, June 19, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | What about the overcrowding and rampant population increase in other areas? We don't need more people from out of the nation. And the problem WILL go away. Natural migration within the nation. Its not going to sell your bill. |
Date | 17:39:14, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Christian Liberal Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | If we allow everybody in, the people of Hutoir are going to get annoyed - the loss of jobs, the loss of income, etc, to the refugees will leave nothing for our citizens. |
Date | 18:12:13, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Does the Socialist Party still play an active role in the Socialist international? If it does, surely it abides by its stated value that "solidarity is all-encompassing and global". |
Date | 01:59:40, June 20, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Your point being? If people are in need, then we will take them. Otherwise we have better things to do than babysit other nations. |
Date | 02:58:29, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Federal Technocrats | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Open slather immigration also tends to decrease national living and educational standards. Unless we performe quite unfair intelligence, education or other forms of testing, this will only decrease the nation's social standards. |
Date | 05:47:44, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Communist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | I am appalled--if not surprised--by the decision of the Socialists, Christian Liberals, Federal Technocrats, and other parties to make immigrants into scapegoats for the problems with wages, education, and so forth. As a matter of fact, the primary problem in this regard is our oligarchic class system. Immigrants are potential leaders of the fight to abolish this system, and to fight for measures that are PROVEN to increase wages, such as the legalization of the union shop. |
Date | 06:29:01, June 20, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | I did not make them scapegoats. I merely suggested something to the tune of: "Do not remove the splinter in your brother's eye, if you have a plank in yours." |
Date | 13:56:50, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Again, religious quotes used to justify reactionary legislation. |
Date | 15:00:23, June 20, 2005 CET | From | stopped | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Communist Party, please take note of our arguments. It's not the loss of jobs etc. that worries us the most, it's the destructive consequences for the countries that see theire upper class migrate to our country. Offcourse their would also come porer people in packed dangeroes ships. Would whe want to encourage these desperatoes to risk their lives to come to our country? Furthermore, this people could be of benefit of their own country, because those our the fittest people with the biggest potential to change things. The oldest, unhealthiest, and most conservative people would be left behind. whe must help people to use their talent pro-activily. Give them a fishingrod instead of fish, give them education instead of the possibility to come to our country. (to state it simply, whe do know it's a more complex set of problems.) |
Date | 15:57:00, June 20, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Are you disagreeing with the sentiment of the quote, MT? Do you disagree that if you have problems of your own, you should fix them before you fix everybody elses? |
Date | 16:30:02, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Militant Labour Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | We believe that our society's problems are caused, not by immigration or over-crowding, but by the actions of the ruling class, represented by your coalition, which continue to oppress working class and poor Hutori people. We argue for an internationalist outlook, and therefore support a massive increase in the amount of aid provided to ordinary people across the world. This bill on its own, admittedly, will not suffice. Only a whole-scale transformation of society to socialism will see an end to the chaos that the capitalist free-market model has caused. |
Date | 17:02:14, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | What ruling class? We have no aristocracy, no old establishment, no national religion...so what ruling class are you refering to? |
Date | 17:26:18, June 20, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | ~laughs out loud~ And yet you are one of the least Socialist people I have ever met. Opressing working classes and poor? You have got to be bloody kidding me. Thanks to my party this nation has one of the biggest welfare states in the world. The working class is protected by unions, and are yet not forced into one by bullying tactics. Thanks to my party again (after a fashion). And our party is quite firmly anti-capitalist. Before you go spouting off complete RUBBISH, check your facts. The ruling class is not causing society's problems. We are fixing them. Do you want to give us MORE problems to fix? I am done arguing this point. The bill will NOT pass. |
Date | 17:38:57, June 20, 2005 CET | From | stopped | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | The Humanist Partij wants to give voice to the people's dislike of the autocrational attitude of the Socialist Party. Saying that the bill will not pass in that tone, create's the illusion that SP represents the majority of the people and can deside for the minority. That is not the case, if the bill is not passed that is because other party's also don't support the bill. |
Date | 17:39:23, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Kellarly Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | *Quietly reminds the SP that the KP and the Sancta Party, in its old centre left form, also helped a good deal* |
Date | 00:57:55, June 21, 2005 CET | From | First Socialist Party | To | Debating the Refugee Rights Act |
Message | Oh I know... but the point is that my party does not oppress. And SH, please remember that while the SP itself does not represent the majority of the people, we have been here long enough to know the values of the other parties. WE might not represent it, but at least we know it. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||||
yes | Total Seats: 23 | |||||||
no |
Total Seats: 160 | |||||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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