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Bill: Equal rights act.

Details

Submitted by[?]: Adam Smith Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2071

Description[?]:

Within our nation there is a portion of the working population that are unfairly discriminated against. They are denied the same rights and protections that the majority of the working population are granted and this denial constitutes unwarrented and unjustifiable discrimination against them.

We therefore propose to rectify this injustice and extend the same rights to all individuals who work for a living regardless of the nature of their work on the provision that their activities are not illegal. (We do not propose to extend employment rights to criminals). We call upon all parties of the house to support this movement to make Lodamun a standard bearer for equal rights.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date19:02:16, June 20, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageWhat does "recognition under government employment regulation policy" mean?
What is conferred by such recognition?

Date19:14:11, June 20, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageActually I don't have a clue what they mean by that, unless it means that you can not join state pension schemes or benefit from any of the other state protections for employees. Anyway, it just seems strange to discriminate against prostitutes because of their line of work.

Date19:40:01, June 20, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageI agree there, but I would like to avoid subjecting them to unneccesary paperwork, taxation, or goverment funds/subsidies.

Date22:23:09, June 20, 2005 CET
FromCNT/AFL
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageThe positition of the CNT/AFL is that the status quo is a better option. We believed at one point in time that recognizing prostitution as a profession would be a better idea, but we have amended our position.

http://aiglesrv.no-ip.info:8080/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=3510 has some arguments in favour of the status quo.

Date23:10:45, June 20, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageThe arguments in that discussion are all based on the false presumption that prostitutuion is unethical.

There is absolutely nothing unethical about prostitutions. The only thing that I can presume is mine, in a world where the government taxes and tithes everything, to use as I wish is my body. By denying recognition of prostitution as a legitimate and honourable profession the government is trying to deny the iundividual to use their own body in the way that that individual sees fit.

Legitimizing prostitution and recognizing it as a valid economic activity will not attract people who have moral objections to it into the business. It will only stabalise and remove from the risk of criminalization those that choose to enter this old and respectable profession.

In times where prostitution has not been recognized it has been marginalised and those that enter prostitution are placed at physical and emotional risk. Where and when it has been an accepted and normal profession, the courtesans and gigolos have been valuable and contributing members of society.

The only reason for not recognizing the profession as valid is an attempt to enforce an outdated and irresponsible set of Victorian moral values on the people.

Date00:14:48, June 21, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageConsensual sex is legal, and recognized.
Paying others for services performed is legal, and recognized.

Why not a combination of the two?

Date00:51:18, June 23, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageProstitution is not un-ethical, and people have the right to control their own bodies.

However, could you address the argument that women living in poverty may be forced into prostitution against their will, made in the previous debate?

Date01:15:33, June 23, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageThe regulation of the industry does not cause pressganging into any industry whatsoever. Are you obliged to be an accountant, just because it is a legal profession? No.

So why do you think that this would occur with prostitution?

It is actually more likely to occur with a criminalised sex industry as there would be no regulation, no union, no protections.

Date01:22:36, June 23, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageI don't think that: the CCF-Greens are currently undecided, and definitely opposed to criminalizing prostitution.

But could you read the posts by the 2nd June Movement in the last debate, and make a response to their argument (persuasive to many at the time) that women can be forced, from economic necessity, to take jobs as prostitutes when they do not want to?

Date01:41:11, June 23, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessagePeople can be forced, from economic necessity to become a prostitute whether it is legal or not. If it is not legal then they are not only taking up a profession against their will, but are being crimiunalized as well. If prostitution is legal then this second part does not happen.

As prostitution will always occur, whether legal and regulated or not, the argument that women may be forced inbto it by economic necessity has force for the legalisation argument, not against it.

Take a woman, or man for that matter, who is in real financial difficulties, what are they going to do? What do they have to sell? They have their bodies. This will be true whether prostitution is regulated or not. What we, as a responsible government can do is to recognize the profession as valid, and allow the formation of worker representative groups, eliminate coercive forces etc. Those forced into the business by hardship will at least have social security contributions, pension credits etc. It will also remove some of the stigma, alowing them to escape the vicious circle that traps them into prostitution when they have recovered financially.

Date04:10:08, June 23, 2005 CET
FromCNT/AFL
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageWhat is your position on parasitically living off the work of prostitutes?

Date06:32:11, June 23, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageI find Pimps and such like to be a problem, if and only if their methods involve violence, threats, and other illegal methods.

What is your view of football managers/coaches. They are the same thing. People living off the physical talants of others. If prostitution were legalized, then there would be much more opportunity for the prostitutes to free themselves of such parasites, as they could form unions, obtain protection from the law etc.

Date19:24:11, June 23, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageOn the understanding that government employment policy will not be gutted, and that the Adam Smith Party is committed to "rights and protections" for all working people as stated in the text, we are prepared to support this bill.

Date20:13:39, June 23, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Equal rights act.
MessageWe are committed to permitting working people to organise themselves to provide rights and protections. We are also committed to providing rights and protections to individuals. We trust this satisfies the CFC Greens. We would not want them to support this act under a misapprehension.

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