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Bill: Guarantee of Basic Human Rights
Details
Submitted by[?]: Front for a Solidarian Country
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2070
Description[?]:
| We, in the FSC, feel that the death penalty and forced labour in prisions violate the basic human rights of Beluzian citizens, and so we propose: 1 - That the death penalty is permanently banned. Since we believe such pratice to be barbaric, inneffective, easily abused and in violation to the prisioner's right to rehabilitation, we believe that the maximun sentence must be life imprisionment, not death penalty. 2 - That labour in prisions is made voluntary, and that prisioners that agree to work are entitled to receiving a small wage and, perhaps, a shorterment of their sentence for 'positive behaviour'. To do otherwise is to violate the basic rights of our citizens. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:32:49, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | Read the bill - "The Hidden Workforce" and then challange me to a contest over the prisoner bill, because I'm not gonna right all the same tat again. LCP your more than welcome to join in :) |
| Date | 11:33:50, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | The death penalty isn't barbaric its an effective way of getting rid of scumbags.... |
| Date | 14:13:28, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | I agree that teh death penalty should be abolished, it has been proven that it does very little to deter criminals. However I do not agree that prisoners should be paid to work. They are criminals and have broken the law why should they have to choose to work? |
| Date | 14:26:13, June 22, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | Slavery and organharvesting are the humane alternatives to Prison! Jail is a human rights abuse! Power to the People! |
| Date | 19:56:00, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | Its a deterent for the dead ones! |
| Date | 20:50:13, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Front for a Solidarian Country | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | Okay, PAL, I've read your Hidden Workforce bill, and that's a very interesting discussion you had going on there. Now, I'll take the time to explain my arguments to you, and to other parties. 1 - Re: Death Penalty Death penalty is a barbaric and inhuman practice. On the ethical camp, death penalty ignores the fact that everybody has a right to rehabilitation, which, with the proper education and guidance, is a very posssible thing. Also, death penalty is not only unfair to the prisioners, but to their families. Put yourself in the position of someone that has commited a crime, doesn't everyone deserve a second chance? If somebody has failed as a person and has commited a crime, it's not his fault only, but fault of the society he's grown in. We are all utimately a reflexion of the environment in which we grow up and live, society conditions us and influences us. True, criminals have failed to society. But to not giving them a second chance means society is failing on them. On the practical camp, death penalty is also wrong, because it can be easily abused, and used for political purposes. (China executes more than 3 thousands per year, most of them political activists or Ughiur and Tibetan independence fighters. Even in the US, supposedly the 'beacon of democracy', there have been many cases of political activists being executed under false crimes. Look for "Mumia Abu-Jabal" or for "Leonard Peltier" in google if you want examples.) Finally, 60% of the people executed in the US is either afroamerican or hispanic, and almost 99% of them come from poor families. Why is it that the rich, who also commit crimes as terrible as the poor, can escape death penalty simply because they can afford better lawyers? Human justice is not perfect, we can commit mistakes. Let us make sure that those mistakes do not cost a human life. |
| Date | 20:58:55, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Front for a Solidarian Country | To | Debating the Guarantee of Basic Human Rights |
| Message | 2 - Re: Forced Labour in Prisions The statement "Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day." clearly is a synonim of 'forced, wageless labour', because in no part of your bill is stated that prision work will be voluntary. Now, forced labour is clearly wrong, as I see it, both for ethical and practical reasons, Ethically, it is wrong to force someone to work against their will, even if they are prisioners. Why should the state, or some rich bussinessman, profit from the work of prisioners without paying them a damn thing? Additionally, forced labour, only serves to slow down rehabilitation, not to improve it. A prisioner that is forced to do hard work for nothing in return will only increase his hatred for a society that doesn't want to give him a second chance, that doesn't want him to improve. In contrast, voluntary work, combined with education, can greatly help to rehabilitate a prisioner. Not only because it provides prisioners with laboral skills, but also because, since the work is voluntary, it means that the rehabilitation is a decision of the prisioner itself. The prisioner decides on his own will to improve his condition and better himself, he is not forced to do so. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 21 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 221 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 58 |
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