We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sinn Daoine
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 5309
Description[?]:
| This bill, proposed by Thomas Donovan TD and Minister of Finance, will alter federal income taxes to create a fairer tax system for all Kirlawans. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 48
Current: 15
Proposed: 35
Article 2
We propose to alter income tax brackets to the following setup. Information about the current income tax system can be found here.
| Bracket | Tax | Estimated Revenue |
| > 74,999 KDI | 12% | 501,655,000,000 KDI |
| > 149,999 KDI | 18% | 586,836,000,000 KDI |
| > 224,999 KDI | 26% | 864,982,000,000 KDI |
| > 349,999 KDI | 36% | 812,150,000,000 KDI |
| > 499,999 KDI | 50% | 731,123,000,000 KDI | Total | 3,496,746,000,000 KDI |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:43:21, May 28, 2023 CET | From | Fine Choiarlabhan | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | Mrs Chairwomen, Our current economic tax policies puts to low a burden on government spending baring in mind the state provided all health care and most education. Therefore this is a step towards a more realistic tax burden that doesn’t squash business. However the realism of our underfunded services will need to be looked at eventually. |
| Date | 16:09:14, May 28, 2023 CET | From | Sinn Daoine | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | OOC: Madam Speaker or Madam Chairwoman would be the appropriate way to address. Madam Speaker, We currently spend 3.8 trillion KDI in total on government expenses, and our healthcare and educational systems both being well funded, so the fine representative from FC is being slightly disengenious but we wont get caught up on it. We are happy to hear FC express support for this proposal nonetheless. -- Cillín Ó Kaine, TD Taoiseach of the Commonweath |
| Date | 17:47:37, May 28, 2023 CET | From | Fine Choiarlabhan | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | Madam Chairwoman, That is disingenuous. We only spend less than 25% GDP on government spending, less than 8% on health care, how can we possibly be funding services adequately. We have clearly discovered the magic formula of having the government provide all sorts of services, but on a very low income government income, how lucky! Ooc: the UK spends nearly 12% of GDP on health and it is currently struggling! Kirlawa spends less than 8% of GDP on health (and we don’t allow private healthcare as an option) |
| Date | 19:12:20, May 28, 2023 CET | From | Sinn Daoine | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | OOC: Kirlawa allocates 1.2 trillion to healthcare which would equate to roughly $36,604 per person using population stats from here: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=8908). Also, as i understand it, the GDP portion of the budget was never fully developed in game, so using that IG stat is not really a accurate or fair measuring stick. Madam Speaker, I am by no means trying to say our healthcare system is perfect or any aspect of our government offers perfect service. Trust me there is no magic formula to it, but to claim our healthcare or government is underfunded or ineffective is just simply not a true statement. -- Cillín Ó Kaine, TD Taoiseach of the Commonweath |
| Date | 06:20:34, May 29, 2023 CET | From | Fine Choiarlabhan | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | Ooc: $36000 sounds like a lot but unless Kirlawa is a super rich country we’re spending less of our GDP on health than most European states that have welfare states. I have always found comparing to GDP spending if the UK a good means for determining whether or not each government department is well funded. |
| Date | 07:21:26, May 29, 2023 CET | From | Sinn Daoine | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | OOC: I understand but the GDP numbers in game are broken. There is a literal warning above it that says do not consider it working yet but if we were to use those numbers and compare them to nations that our considered economic superpowers in Terra, we spend about the same relative to our GDP. |
| Date | 13:40:42, May 29, 2023 CET | From | Fine Choiarlabhan | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | ooc: Ok, I am aware the economic side of particracy is broken, but government budgets and taxation can still be set. The $36000 you quote is 36000 unit of Kirlawan currency, given the size of our economy relative to our neighbours it is clear the Kirlawan currency is a lower value currency in the game (there used to be a page that showed the different currency ratios between country's but I can't find it). It is important to have some sort of comparative method. Spending less than 10% of your GDP on health in the real world means it is going to be broken. However, some of our neighbours are even worse Dorvik - 2% of GDP spent on health Aloria - 2% of GDP spent on health Dundorf - 6% of GDP spent on healthcare Kundrati - 8% of GDP spent on healthcare |
| Date | 14:25:19, May 29, 2023 CET | From | Sinn Daoine | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | OOC: You are missing the entire point of what I am saying. The numbers you are using to determine our spending relative to GDP do not accurately represent our GDP. |
| Date | 17:34:16, May 29, 2023 CET | From | Fine Choiarlabhan | To | Debating the SD.5308.1: FEDERAL INCOME TAX ACT |
| Message | Ooc: that’s why I’m using percentages. Because the numbers you quoted are meaningless without valid comparisons between international exchange rates. That’s why using the percentage of GDP is the only real way to see if we’re investing properly in services because we compare countries proportion of the GDP rather than the numerical amount spent. |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 160 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: In cases where players introduce RP laws to a nation and then leave, Moderation reserves the discretion to declare the RP laws void if they appear to have fallen into disuse. In particular, please bear in mind that a player who is inexperienced with Particracy role-play and has joined a nation as the only party there should not generally be expected to abide by RP laws implemented by previous players who have been and left. |
| Random quote: "A politician who is poor is a poor politician." - Carlos Hank Gonzalez |