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Bill: Rights to Employers Act of 2249

Details

Submitted by[?]: United Conservative Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2251

Description[?]:

A bill to preserve the right's of corporations as private enterprises.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date01:45:42, July 05, 2006 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageSounds like a right to slavery...

Who determines that the strike is resonable? why are we forcing people to work against their will?

Date05:47:04, July 05, 2006 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessagePrivate businesses and private industries invest their own money into these ventures. It is their money, and the government has no right to tell them how to, and how not to spend it. While we respect the worker's right to strike, we cannot force the will of a government down the throats of businesses who pay MUCH more than their fair share in taxes.

How would you feel if someone told you that you couldn't buy a big screen TV? Or how would you feel if someone told you that you could not hire a gardner to mow your lawn?

Furthermore, since you brought up forcing people to work against their will. Suppose you woke up one morning, and decided that you didn't like something the People's Party was doing with the government. So you decided to no longer partake in the Assembly. Your constituancy would surely let you know their feelings come election time by no longer voting you into office.

Why pay someone for a job that they aren't doing?

Date07:44:20, July 05, 2006 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageWe never said that strikers should get paid, and in our experience the company does not pay them, the union does for the duration of the strike.

We do not understand the rest of the UCP's points. The current law does not force a company to settle the strike or not hire replacement workers to keep the business running during the strike. It only states that a worker cannot be fired for trying to improve working conditions, or pay, or whatever the strike is about. Strikes are not in anyone's best interest, Private companies loose money through reduced services and downtime. Employees lose money due to reduced pay (the unions typically do not pay them much during the strike). They are avoided by both parties whenever possible. However there are times when people must be permitted to stand for what they feel are needed changes without fear. The law as written states that the cannot be fired for striking which means that when (and if) the strike is settled they can return to their jobs, thus both parties agree that the terms are satifactory otherwise the strike will not end.

Date12:49:29, July 05, 2006 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageStriking for valid reasons is not our problem. We belive that workers should have the right to strike for said reasons. However, if the company has a greivance with their workers constantly striking (as seen in Europe) all the time for reasons that are not fair to the company, they should be able to terminate their relationship with the worker. After all, it is their own money they are spending on these workers, and should have the right to say who will and who won't work for the company.

For an absolute proof to this, one needs to look no further than the United Auto Workers. Years and years of strikes by workers drove wages up to such a point for remidial tasks, that it almost bankrupted the companies and lead to massive layoffs.

It's one thing to go on strike if you make $6.00 an hour and work in extremely hard conditions. It's a totally different thing to go on strike if you make $50.00 an hour and you want $60.00 to do a job that someone else would easily take $20.00 an hour for, or if you go on strike because you want a luxury bathroom with an attendant that hands you nice mints when you're finished.

There's a limit to what the government can and cannot tell a company to do with it's resources/workers.

What we are saying is that the law should be amended to say that if workers go on strike for what are deemed to be frivolous reasons, and causes the company harm because they cannot end their relationship with these workers, that the company SHOULD have the right to terminate their relationship with said workers.

Date16:46:57, July 06, 2006 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageThe issue you raise is not employees going on strike rather unions becoming corrupted by greed and power since to work at the location required union membership

For your example, if there where plenty of others who want the job at the current rate, then the company is free to hire them. There is no requirement for union membership in Malivia, thus shops can be split between union and non union labour. If a union wants a strike for a luxury bathroom, one of these results is most likely:
A) most employees feel it a necessity and are willing to go weeks or months with no pay to get one. (we do not see that as a likely option)
B) the membership will not vote for the strike, (In Malivia all strikes most pass with a majority vote)
C) The union votes for a strike, and management hires enough other workers to keep going and leave them behind. No need to fire them they will either come back to the table with more reasonable terms or continue the strike for yrs with the employees either leaving the union or finding new jobs.

However if employers are permitted to fire strikers what could easily happen is targetting the leaders of the union at that location thus weaking the union. Thus leading more and more toward the min wage jobs for all blue collar work. The result is a extreme class division, more working poor and a greater need for government services.

Date21:02:28, July 06, 2006 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageIf The Protectorate Party shall support the other provisions in this bill, we will strike Article I. This bill has been on the books for over a year, and we would like to move it to a vote.

Date01:31:22, July 07, 2006 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageWe disagree with #3 on the principle that no one should be forced to work in conditions that are not safe or fair. This article wounld make slave labour out of those who are in jobs where they are protecting the public. (We assume you are meaning police and fire as the types of jobs that are not permitted to strike.) The people who go into these jobs rarely due it for the money rather out of a sense of duty. They do not strike for the frivolous reasons mentioned above.

As for the second we would need to change various laws which currently provide for government run utilities.

We cannot see supporting the third and the second needs work before we can support it.

Date08:31:17, July 07, 2006 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Rights to Employers Act of 2249
MessageThen we shall table the bill in its entirety.

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