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Bill: Greening Malivia

Details

Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2251

Description[?]:

Strengthening our environmental laws.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date05:50:48, July 05, 2006 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Greening Malivia
MessageDo any of you have any idea what this will do to the economy?

Businesses will, instead of focusing on how to better increase profits (for us, that means tax revenue) will have to focus on how to better protect the environment, to which, contradictory proof is readily available on man's impact on the environment.

We would like to support good environmental practices, but we draw the line at the government interfering and telling businesses and citizens what to do with their money. That is a restriction of freedom, and we can't support that.

We will easily vote "No" on this bill.

Date07:32:49, July 05, 2006 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Greening Malivia
MessageFirst, your argument only holds for the first proposal as the others do not effect industry. And as we have had restrictive pollution controls in the past we already have an industry which produces measures to reduce emissions. Thus the methods exist to reduce the levels already.

Secondly, there is plenty of evidence which details how damaging our short sighted practices have been to our environment. Malivia's land and air and water are the only resources we must all share no matter how you look at it, and are impossible to replace should they be damaged. It is better to err on the side of caution when dealing with these public resources then destroying them or otherwise reducing their quality to make a quick Pliney.

In addition a clean environment increase tourism value, reduces the costs in medical expenses, and increases the overall quality of life. These can easily offset the reduction in tax renevues the UCP is so concerned about.

Date13:02:00, July 05, 2006 CET
FromUnited Conservative Party
ToDebating the Greening Malivia
MessageWe have no objection to the other proposals in this bill as they are sound and just (Articles 2-4).

However, we don't support, as the bill says "highly restrictive" laws on industry. That will make the industries just that, "restricted".

I ask the gentleman to please provide me with one instance in the world where industry is heavily regulated, and the harm the bill does to industry is off-set by a small cut in medical expenses and/or a small increase in tourism?

It isn't our contention that there isn't evidence showing man's impact on the environment. It is our contention that contradictory data also exsists, and to this day, it is still a fact that remains unproven and settled. So we all must conclude that there simply isn't enough data to prove it one way or another, so putting our eggs in the basket of one-side of an unproven theory is bad government.

We have a system of laws regarding pollution in this country, and are a bit too restrictive for our liking, but that is not the case here. Increasing them will only make it harder for enterprises to get off the ground and continue to employ the citizenry.

When it comes down to it, I'm sure the people of Malivia can agree that feeding their families is much more important than continuing to attempt to beautify this already beautiful nation.

Date17:04:23, July 06, 2006 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Greening Malivia
MessageEffects of pollution:
http://www.epa.gov/acidrain/effects/index.html
http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/waterpollution.htm
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/students/wastsite/soilspil.htm

We firmly believe that that it is better to be safe then sorry in terms of the environment, it cannot be replaced, its effects can take yrs to achieve and billions to recover from. Again our industry has survived for yrs with high levels of regulation. It is far better to prevent a problem then try and fix it afterwards, when it is often too late.

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Voting

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