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Bill: Traditional Military Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gnazenal Phr'unt
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2256
Description[?]:
| Beacuse allowing gays, foreigners and women in the front line undermines the morale and effectiveness of the real soldiers. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve alongside men.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women can only serve in non-battle positions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:54:00, July 13, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | That is discrimination. If I were gay or a woman and I joined the military, I would want to have equal opportunity to prove that I am just as good as a soldier as the majority of the people in the military. |
| Date | 23:07:12, July 13, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | No; for obvious reasons. |
| Date | 01:40:57, July 14, 2006 CET | From | White People's Party | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | we support. with rules like this we won't have to worry about god's wrath when we go to battle. ;) |
| Date | 10:23:55, July 14, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | BPP, that is the point. The only reason gays and women are allowed in the front line is because of equality, not because it makes military sense. |
| Date | 04:51:54, July 15, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | Every soldier is trained the same... |
| Date | 15:08:22, July 16, 2006 CET | From | Conservative People's Party | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | Women are not as physically adept as men.. we support |
| Date | 10:20:15, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | Exactly, although the few women that do pass the training are of the same fitness, it is an undeniable strain on resources and morale, all in the name of equality, not in the name of logic or military effectiveness. |
| Date | 18:33:56, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | Some of the best soldiers have been women, many of them pilots and snipers. If this military can't train women and gays to be effective then I don't think they are effective at all... |
| Date | 18:58:14, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | Rubbish, the military shouldn't have to persue equality simply because that is what politicians desire. |
| Date | 19:59:28, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | No, they should because it's the humane thing to do. Though I suppose the military isn't in the business of being humane. |
| Date | 11:25:40, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the Traditional Military Bill |
| Message | Exactly, the DSPL illustrate the point perfectly. The only reason certain people are allowed in the military is to further equality, regardless of the fact that equality is meaningless in an environment such as the military. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 140 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 514 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 47 |
| Random fact: Bill descriptions must be in English, or at least include a full English translation. Bill titles may appear in a language that is appropriate to the nation and are not required to be translated into English. |
| Random quote: "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington |