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Bill: Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Liberal Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2100
Description[?]:
| We wish to open a decent and full debate on the pros and cons of the death penalty. Personally we do not believe that the death penalty is a suitable punishment in any situation (for reasons I will state in another post tomorrow as I'm going to bed now and can't be bothered to write my argument!!). However we are prepard to compromise and allow the death penalty for acts of treason and terrorism. Note that at the moment this is only a debate and so no proposal has currently been tabled. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:59:06, June 24, 2005 CET | From |  Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Pros: Saves money over keeping people in jail for life. Cons: None. |
| Date | 00:04:38, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Look how about an amendment, that says only clear cut murderers would be executed. While those that can't be proven, would be let away, but under surveillance for a while. |
| Date | 01:12:18, June 25, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Independents: Cons - 1. possibility for miscarriges of justice (can't rectify them once dead) 2. we reduce ourselves to their level by also murdering them 3. many of these people need help and treatment not death 4. can allow murders to 'escape' from what they have done by never having to come to terms with it as they are killed quickly. locking them up for life can provide the possibility of reflection and contemplation of the crimes which for some ( though not for all) could be a great burden and punishment (particularly if they are placed in some form of solitary confinment). Also, much money does not have to spent looking after them - in fact only ned to provide minimum amount of food and a basic cell and security |
| Date | 01:15:00, June 25, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Another point to consider is degrees of murder as in the US. Is someone who accidentally kills someone in a drunken brawl exactly the same as a cold, sadistic serial killer who plans and carries out many attacks? The US as I said has degrees of murder - should all face a death penalty? Obviously in the UK it is different (apart from the fact that there is no death penalty, there is no degrees of murder - murder is murder - is this better?) |
| Date | 04:15:40, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Agreed. only 1st degree murderer's should be executed, 2nd and 3rd degree, depending on the case, would get at worse life in prison. but like i said, only proven murderers would be executed, if not proven, then they will either be charged with 2nd or 3rd, or be released, pending on circumstances, |
| Date | 20:47:05, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | No. If it is an accident, then it would just be manslaughter. I actually think these types of cases should have less penalties than what is current. Years of probation instead. Only cases where it is absolutely proven they did it, would they be executed. If it cannot be absolutely proven, then they shouldnt be locked up in the first place. Innocent until proven guilty. Ill post more later i have to go now. |
| Date | 05:35:09, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Ok, continuing.... 1. Covered in last post 2. We are doing what is best for the nation, not "lowering" ourselves to any level 3. What good is help and treatment when they will be in jail the rest of their life??? 4. Similar to 3. What good is reflecting on it if they will be spending all or almost their entire life in prison??? They will of be no/little use to the public once they are out even if they are rehabilitated. And as for the expenses...You forget about overcrowding. Many prisons are overcrowded and many are people that could be out. When prisons overcrowd you must build new ones and hire people to upkeep them which cost LOTS of money. Food and "basic cell and security" isnt the only cost to prisoners. I dont know what prisons in the UK are like but in America, lots of prisons are nicer than many poor peoples houses. They cost LOTS of money to build and upkeep. Especially the "maximum security" prisons where the most dangerous prisoners are that should be executed. And on a side note, we should execute by bullet to the head. Effective and cheap. Only a slight mess to clean up. |
| Date | 05:39:04, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | "Many prisons are overcrowded and many are people that could be out." edit to Many prisons are overcrowded and many of those are with people that could be executed. But instead are taking up space. |
| Date | 15:11:32, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | for once i agree with the Independent party. |
| Date | 20:50:28, August 06, 2005 CET | From | Social Conservatives. | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | The death penalty must be an option for murder cases, but we must use it responsibly, for it is a powerful object. Society is not lowered, however, to the criminal's level when executing a murderer, but instead they are restoring the balance back to society. |
| Date | 12:05:42, August 21, 2005 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Capital Crimes (Scale of Punishment) Act |
| Message | Such an old debate that though I might as well put it to a vote rather than get rid of it - even if it is so that you can all vote it down!!! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 116 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 126 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 13 |
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