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Bill: Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2073
Description[?]:
| To found the Darnussian Army Academy (D.Ar.A.). Cadets accepted to the D.Ar.A will be given a 4-year university level education and will be able to pick the major of their choice. Cadets must go through a 5 week "Basic Combat Training" course 5 weeks before their first day of their freshman year. Cadet's educations will be fully paid for by the Darnussian government. Graduates must owe the Darnussian Army 7 years of active duty. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:19:06, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Add on to this, or add comments or complaints. This is based off basic information from the U.S. Air Force Academy so you might not like it for that reason. If it's popular, I can make the same bills for a Navy and an Air Force. |
| Date | 00:21:10, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | 10 years seems a bit long? |
| Date | 00:34:11, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Considering that about $200-300,000 is spent on a cadet in the Air Force Academy, 10 years seems about right. Someone want to do the math on this? Figure out a soldier's salary and how many years it takes to work off the education? |
| Date | 01:19:53, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | I thought all education was free? |
| Date | 03:25:20, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Well considering this education runs a couple hundred thousand dollars (USD)...do you want the country to fall into debt? Do you want the country to have terrible military leaders? |
| Date | 07:06:26, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | we won't get into debt, all we need are good old 100% tax rates. |
| Date | 13:25:34, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Why military? why not something useful? |
| Date | 14:46:01, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | education is and will be free |
| Date | 18:31:58, June 24, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | We fully support this bill to not only build a safe and strong military, but also a smart one! |
| Date | 19:58:32, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | problem is, soldiers should be stupid otherwise they will not be so idiotic to follow orders such as: "run towards the machine gun and distract them so we can shoot them down!" |
| Date | 20:25:03, June 24, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | That last message shows how totally lacking in knowledge some mebers of our own parliament are. |
| Date | 21:49:56, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | It's an exaggerated example. I'll let it go because I do it too. In any case, this is a military institute. Should military institutions be treated equally to higher public education? |
| Date | 23:59:12, June 24, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | it was not a serious responce People's Party and yes i think it should be treated eqauly since it's a public school. used to protect the public. |
| Date | 00:02:02, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | but i would rather have people's militia's centrally commanded by proffesional generals. and some trained soldiers training the militia's and commanding them. |
| Date | 05:09:47, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | If this is a military institute, and requires Parliament to found such an institute, then perhaps it shouldn't be public. 100% government run. I really don't think it is safe for either the public, or private funders to run a Darnussian military academy. |
| Date | 14:08:11, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | I am against the idea in its entireity. Why not just have the current system remain? After all, 10 years is far too long. |
| Date | 18:28:45, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | 7 years? |
| Date | 10:05:41, June 26, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Sounds like a good compromise. |
| Date | 10:08:32, June 26, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Sounds like a good compromise. |
| Date | 16:36:19, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | well if we educate them, i think they should be allowed to serve the military for long and that they should be educated towards another proffesion for after the military |
| Date | 16:36:32, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | thats why i rather have people's militia's... |
| Date | 19:15:33, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | I would be in favour of people's militia's. |
| Date | 19:19:51, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Guys, when we go to war, they will laugh at us and invade us simply because of the militias. |
| Date | 23:31:55, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win :D |
| Date | 02:50:03, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | people's militia's would be convinced with they're cause so fight for 2. people who fight for an ideal or for a country are much better soldiers then people who fight for money! And the militia's will be well trained... |
| Date | 04:49:51, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | ...Yeah your joking, right? About the whole ideals and money thing? Mmhmm. Worked nicely for the Soviets during their invasion of Nazi Germany. How many unarmed men did Stalin send to their dooms in Stalingrad alone for the motherland? |
| Date | 15:24:37, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | well Stalin created a huge army so he could counter any attacks Hitler made... but Hitler attacked much earlier then Stalin thought so he had a huge army with only half the guns and ammunition so half the men got ammo ands the other half got guns. BUT all these men were so convinced of the ideal of the workers-state that they did win in Stalingrad, they would not have if this was not the case. And those people were not all volunteers, most were serving compulsory military service who was implicated by Stalin during WW2. |
| Date | 15:25:26, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | But this situation is uncomparible to what i'm proposing, if someone would attack and we would have people's militia's (like the way i'm proposing) it would be a particracy Vietnam. |
| Date | 18:43:49, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Or lovely Iraq. Over 1,000 dead since the new government was installed. Mostly Iraqis. Can't we strive for a bit of order? |
| Date | 20:52:54, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | yes, thats why there needs to be a central command. And Iraq is WAY different... thats terrorism not people's militia's. |
| Date | 21:43:45, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Well it depends on the perspective, really. |
| Date | 22:01:22, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | I see it as terrorism since they just blow up whole streets hoping to hit they're enemy.. well the U.S. does the same but hey Bush terrorist #1 |
| Date | 06:09:00, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Well in any case... |
| Date | 13:43:29, June 28, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | People's Militias are the worst idea I've heard in decades. This is Darnussia, not the USSR! Hence, we're voting FOR this bill. |
| Date | 14:04:03, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | the USSR had no people's militia's... |
| Date | 14:31:00, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | and you were the one with the 3-years of great knowledge about communism :D hahaha |
| Date | 18:56:37, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Workers Commune | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | as a pacifist I have to say no |
| Date | 19:09:42, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | well i dont think pacifism has much to do with this :P but hey a no-vote is a positive vote. (pacifism can also be just a defencive army) |
| Date | 04:29:21, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Founding of the Darnussian Army Academy 2071 |
| Message | Wow, even 7 years is alot. In Canada, for example, I believe they have around 4-6 years and it is counted as a university. |
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| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 296 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 372 | ||||
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