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Bill: GP Certain Limits Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gnazenal Phr'unt
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2260
Description[?]:
| One step at a time. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:19:36, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | abortion is a fundamental human right, in my opinion. |
| Date | 13:21:28, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | Isn't the right to life a fundamental human right also? How can the termination of life be more important than life? |
| Date | 13:23:20, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | abortion is a fundamental human right, in my opinion. |
| Date | 13:31:30, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | then you get into technically when a fetus becomes a person. Granted it is a very important point but there are other considerations. I have seen research which demonstrates that allowing abortions has a positive effect on other social indicators. I not saying i believe abortion is a good thing. The choice to have an abortion is a moral question which can only be answered by who are in that situation. Is it right to bring a child (excluding technicalities of when it can be called this) that is not wanted? There is research that demonstrates children who are in a loving environment and have attention from their parents, have a greater chance of achieving higher education levels. The unwanted child would be disadvantaged from the start, is that really fair? |
| Date | 13:44:55, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | >I have seen research which demonstrates that allowing abortions has a positive effect on other social indicators.< Research also suggests that abortions have a long lasting negative effect upon the mental health of the women who aborted the fetus, especially if they are young. >The choice to have an abortion is a moral question which can only be answered by who are in that situation.< Granted, and the proposed Bill would still give the women in question 24 weeks with which to decide. >Is it right to bring a child (excluding technicalities of when it can be called this) that is not wanted?< There are plenty of couples/singles who want to have children but can't for one reason or another, and they are willing to adopt. A child that is born to a mother who does not want that child can put the child up for adoption, there is no reason why a women has to keep the baby she has had, but she should give that baby a chance in life. >There is research that demonstrates children who are in a loving environment and have attention from their parents, have a greater chance of achieving higher education levels.< The same research suggest children whose parents are still married also do better, yet that is not given as a reason to ban divorce, why should it be given as a reason to allow abortion? >The unwanted child would be disadvantaged from the start, is that really fair?< Is it fair to not give that child a chance? Rather than assuming that a baby will fail in life before it is even born, wouldn't it be better to give that baby a chance in life? As mentioned earlier if an unwantedchild is conceived, why is abortion always made easier than adoption? All children should be gven a chance in life, their right to life is far more important than some losers right to kill. |
| Date | 13:54:57, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | I stand by what i said above, and i believe abortion is the last option, one should not look at abortion in isolation. the government should take a proactive role in encouraging the practise of contraception in order to prevent the number of unwanted pregancies. I am not against this bill, i will vote for it, just sparking some debate. i believe that after so long less than 6 months, in fact, a fetus can be classed as a person and then the state has a role to step in a protect that child. By six months a women or family is going to know if they can support and want a child, then if they change their mind after this, then adoption is a better path. but initially a women should have a right to choose. I would never support a full ban. |
| Date | 14:03:54, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | We fully understand the ALF's views, and this is such a controversial area to decide policy over. However, as with the ALF, we welcome debate within the chamber. |
| Date | 20:29:40, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | Again, after 20 weeks, 99% of the time abortions are done to prevent health damage to the mother, not because she can't make up her mind. |
| Date | 20:40:05, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | Forgive any morbidity, but it's not a flattering subject when discussed frankly. Aside from my previous post, nobody has ever proven to me when a child is able to be considered a human. Certainly not when they start to feel pain, which does not necessarily impy complex human thought. Mammals certainly can feel pain but humans eat them with no second thought often citing their subhuman intelligence, and fetuses can be given anesthetics anyways. Maybe when it becomes almost certain that they could live a normal, healthy life if removed from the womb? Which is definately not at 6 months. If somebody provides a logical argument as to why a fetus is a person at or before the second trimester, I'd certainly listen. |
| Date | 20:40:31, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | Ideally if that is the case we in the GP woul like to see abortion limited entirely to medical reasons. |
| Date | 04:08:17, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Almighty Lodamunian Front (ALF) | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | I was under the impression this bill excluded for medical reasons, as it was the last time we debated it. I would like it put in the desrciption of the bill, abortions can not be had after 6 months unless for medical reasons. |
| Date | 10:04:09, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Gnazenal Phr'unt | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | DSPL this will do for now http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/Key%20Facts%20on%20Unborn%20Victims%20of%20Violence%20Act.pdf , although strictly ooc, as Lodamun has not passed such a law. |
| Date | 15:29:17, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the GP Certain Limits Bill |
| Message | I read the report. Perhaps an unborn fetus can be considered a person when its mother decides to raise it into an adult? Any way, I think the question is far too personal to legally mandate. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 247 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 351 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 103 |
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