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Bill: C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Pirt Sisialach
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2261
Description[?]:
| By this bill, the Telamon recognises the special significance of the British monarchy and lays the crown before HME and Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Certain changes to our constitution have been proposed as appropriate by the Rt Hon. the Lord Goldsmith, Attorney-General for HM. (This is in transition; if you object, please say so.) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Come, fellow Telamonians Let us progress towards happiness together May our noble aspiration bring Telamon success Come, let us unite In a new spirit Let our voices soar as one Onward Telamon Onward Telamon
Current:
| Skjöld: Ég tilheyri þér, Í hjarta eru þínir. Hvar Tælmensku dætur blómstra, Hvar Tælmensku synir syngja, Leyfðu okkur að dansa hamingjusamlega, Í okkar Tælmörk! Og þetta er að fallega lands, Við Tælmensku land, heimili mitt, Við Tælmensku land, heimili mitt. Ekki gráta kæru móður Tælmörk, Hækka höfuðið stoltur hár, Tælmörk er frjáls Frjáls til að lifa! Land fjöll, land með straum. Land fields, land hinna frjálsu. Fjallið, vale – fara hvert sem hann vildi, Sorg og sorg öll sömu – Undir sjó af blóði, Á meðan yfir sjó á flame. Þú ert uppi á minningar frábær gamla daga, Þegar heiður að því þegar nafn þitt flaug yfir Terra, Ég veit að þú ert og mun eftir það sem þú varst. Luthorian: I belong to you In my heart is yours. Where Telamonic daughters bloom, Where Telamonic sons sing, let us dance happily, In our Telamon! And this is to a beautiful country, By Telamon land, my home, By Telamon land, my home. Don't cry dear mother Telamon, Raise your head proud high, Telamon is free Free to live! Country mountains, country with a stream. Land fields, land of the free. The mountain, vale – go wherever he wanted, Sorrow and sorrow all the same – Under a sea of blood, Meanwhile over sea on flame. You are reminiscing about the great old days, Already honored when your name flew over Terra, I know you are and will remember what you were. |
Proposed:
| Official: God save our gracious Queen, Long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen! Send her victorious, Happy and Glorious, Long to reign over us; God save the Queen! Nominal: Come, fellow Telamonians Let us progress towards happiness together May our noble aspiration bring Telamon success Come, let us unite In a new spirit Let our voices soar as one Onward Telamon Onward Telamon |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Chancellor
Current: Hans Hátign Viktor IV, Konungur Tælmörks, Æðsti Gothi Tela, Yfirmaður Samveldisins og Verjandi Trúarbragðanna (His Majesty Viktor IV, King of Telamon, High Chief of the Tela, Head of the Commonwealths and Defender of Faiths)
Proposed: President
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: Always To Be The Best
Current: Tælmörk mun standast tímans tönn
Proposed: Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:33:27, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Patriots' Bloc | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | I'm going to have to say I'm opposed to this - we aren't a British colony. We're Telamon. |
| Date | 22:09:41, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Pirt Sisialach | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | OK, fine, I'll put this on hold. |
| Date | 22:10:03, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Pirt Sisialach | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | I would like to pursue article 2. |
| Date | 23:48:51, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Patriots' Bloc | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | Article 2 we are fine with. |
| Date | 02:35:31, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | We're totally opposed to Article 2. Now I could launch into a long and boring talk with Communist BS about how I hate monarchy and what not. But let me speak OOC for a second and beg you to reconsider. An elected HoS is part of the funnest component to this game. When there is more parties (and I swear to you there will be soon), it makes coalition building and endorsements extremely interesting. Instead of one part to an election, there is two. It's extremely entertaining. Don't get rid of it. I faced this problem when I played in Rildanor and there is an easy compromise I came up with there. If we must have a monarchy, keep the elected HoS. However, change the national motto to read "For the Glory of King/Queen...." and incorporate it into the national anthem. That should sate your desperation for a monarchy and preserve a fun component to the game. Please? |
| Date | 03:26:08, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Patriots' Bloc | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | OOC: That is a good point... |
| Date | 03:45:15, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | OOC: Please reconsider? |
| Date | 03:48:28, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Patriots' Bloc | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | OOC: We'd like to hear a rebuttal from the C&UP before we make our final decision. |
| Date | 17:41:43, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Pirt Sisialach | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | I like the DLF countre-measure. We will persue the national anthem change and propose a change to the motto: I know which one I want, put it may take some work to find it. When next you look upon this bill, it will be much different. Can we at least recognise the British Monarch? I suppose it's no stretch for me, but how would the two of you feel? |
| Date | 18:57:42, July 25, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Patriots' Bloc | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | What does the motto mean? |
| Date | 02:38:34, July 26, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | Obviously we're pleased you are no longer messing with the HoS elections we so cherish. I don't know what the motto means even though I took Latin. Is the HoS title change, is that really necessary? And for future notice, England has no standing in this game, and we'd be laughed at as a nation on the forums if we tried to formally recognize a non-existent monarch. If you're so interested with England, though, I suggest you converse with us about RPing Telamon as though it were an English-like nation, sort of in the same manner Dundorf RPs as though it were East Germany. Personally, I really wouldn't mind that at all, although I don't know how the MLP would react. Unfortunately, in-character, we're a Left-wing party, so we must oppose any attempts at recognizing any monarch in whatever form, but this won't stop you from passing your bill, don't worry. |
| Date | 16:06:15, July 26, 2006 CET | From | Pirt Sisialach | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | I took Latin, too. The motto is in Old French. It means, 'shame on he who thinks ill of it.' It is actually the motto of the Most Honourable Order of the Garter and sometimes the monarchy in general. I have to say I never liked chancellor, as if we're Germany or a university. If you don't like Lord Lieutenant, would you settle for President (like the French Republic)? Also, by 'special significance' we avoid being an inner-circle commonwealth nation and would have a relation similar to Mauritius. On a completely unrelated subject, why does half the royal family holiday on Mauritius? |
| Date | 02:08:21, July 27, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | I don't know anything about the monarchy, but I'm sure this Mauritius is a beautiful place. The motto is fine. HoS change to President is fine by us, although remember we're still voting against because the anthem recognizes a monarch. In the future we should fine some more original names than Prime Minister, Chancellor, President, Parliament, Province, etc. |
| Date | 16:16:26, July 27, 2006 CET | From | Pirt Sisialach | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | I tried, but no cigar. About the RPing, a mundane relationship equivalent to Mauritius, which you rightly say is a beautiful place that the British wacked the French out of in 1811, would not require much. I think all it would take is that bill introductions by the PM's party would begin: Be it enacted by the Queens most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows'. Also, calls for early elections shold make reference to a request that the Queen dissolved Parliament. How about that? |
| Date | 16:20:59, July 28, 2006 CET | From | Progressive Democratic Party | To | Debating the C&U - Commonwealth Reform Bill |
| Message | We will have to oppose this, as we're republicans, but it's a fine proposal. Not that we have any votes as such. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 461 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 185 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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