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Bill: Abortion bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2073
Description[?]:
| We understand that in a number of cases abortion can be justified. However, we see no reason to allow abortion for such a long period. The longer you wait, the closer it comes to murder. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Current: All abortions are illegal.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:55:40, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | We don't agree. |
| Date | 19:01:12, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | The Freedom Party has put forth another bill which goes the other way. |
| Date | 20:35:54, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | We however do agree. The second trimester ends at 24 weeks. Babies are viable at 21 weeks. Whilst we would prefer to see abortion banned after 20 weeks, this is not an option, so we shall support the SCP on this issue. |
| Date | 23:01:04, June 25, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | Against. |
| Date | 02:26:04, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | C'mon then, put it to a vote. |
| Date | 15:04:34, June 26, 2005 CET | From |  Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | For. |
| Date | 18:44:29, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | Against. |
| Date | 19:09:17, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Neoliberal Conservatives | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | we concur with this measure.. and although we accept that womens rights are important and a corner stone of our great democracy - we cannot submit to what some would suggest is little better than manslaughter |
| Date | 23:49:30, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | This bill will hurt societies most vulnerable women |
| Date | 12:48:09, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | Aren't unborn babies vulnerable? |
| Date | 22:42:52, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | (a) The latest criterion for death, say before allowing an organ transplant, is for the electroencephalogram to be flat, indicating an absence of mental activity, even though the heart may still be beating. (A person in a deep coma still has a non-flat E.E.G.) (b) A necessary condition for a living organism to become a human being is for mental activity which is associated with thought and mind. (c) The early foetus has no central nervous system/brain, hence no mental activity. (d) The central nervous system of the foetus develops after the 4th (or even the 5th) month. (Reference: "Abortion - The Bobigny Affair, 1972" Association Choisir, pages 64-69, reproducing the testimony of M. le Professeur Jacques Monod, Director of the Pasteur Institute, Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine [Wild and Woolley]). It is difficult to determine precisely when mental activity begins in the foetus and even more difficult to establish the point when it becomes an autonomous, thinking, feeling, emotional, self-conscious person. (e) The medical profession applies the same criterion (absence of mental activity) for the definition of life at both ends of the spectrum. (f) The early embryo is a potential human being, not an actual one. Things may be done to it which may not be done to an actual human being. We are all going to die, and things will be done to us then, not permitted when actually living now. (www.atheistfoundation.org.au |
| Date | 22:43:38, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | A fetus is defined as the gestational period of 9-32 weeks. |
| Date | 22:59:31, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Abortion bill |
| Message | Ah, but a foetus can survive outside the womb as early as 21 weeks. Therefore the baby is alive, and relatively independent of the mother. We should not kill babies that can survive outside the mother's womb. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 270 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 55 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 75 |
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