We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: Nuclear Defence Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fair Capitalism Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2074
Description[?]:
| This means we reserve the right to build weapons, allowing us to act fast if a nuclear war was possible. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:00:45, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | You can't be serious! We shall not stand for the promotion of nuclear proliferation! |
| Date | 01:05:46, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | You can't be serious! We shall not stand for the promotion of nuclear proliferation! |
| Date | 10:48:04, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | If a nuclear war did occur, what point would there be in having nukes? MAD means that we'd be destroyed anyway, so all it's doing is creating revenge. Nukes are highly dangerous, and are not worth stockpiling. The money could be better spent elsewhere. |
| Date | 13:43:25, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | MAD was mostly used to PREVENT a nuclear war. That beside, at this point I don't really see the use of nuclear weapons. |
| Date | 14:48:12, June 26, 2005 CET | From |  Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | SCP is right, MAD is a useful tool to stop us being kicked around. This would just mean if we absolutely had to we could build them, not start stockpiling them. I admit, nuclear weapons are bad things, however, now they have been invented we cannot just bury our heads in the sand and hope the situation doesn't arrive. The same applies to guns. They can kill people (with people at the other end), but can you imagine "anti-gun proliferation" groups? We cannot bjust expect them to go away because we don't have them. It is stupid to not produce them, giving potential enemies a huge advantage - nuclear strikes without the hope of retaliation. |
| Date | 14:59:07, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | Against- agree with the FDP. It would be cheaper to lie & pretend we have nukes, as we will not use the real ones. We're not going to attack anyone, and it is pointless to have them for defence. Having nukes will not put people off from nuking us, as they know we will all be dead & can't push 'the button'. |
| Date | 17:10:41, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | AGSP: you have your facts wrong. Except for the first part about lieing of course. However, I'm not going to engage in heavy debating about this, since I'm voting the same way you are. |
| Date | 17:38:33, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | This will discourage people from nuking us, when the enemy's nukes are in the air we can launch ours, thus meaning they won't because they know that's what we'll do. Will people please realise we need the right to produce every weapon, as it ecxists, and we cannot bury our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't. |
| Date | 20:38:08, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | Having nukes won't affect our foreign policy much, since if anyone's going to nuke us, it is unlikely that they'd listen to the MAD defence. Anyway, we would do better to ensure that there's a massive diplomatic fallout (if you'll excuse the pun) if anyone used nukes. Thus the deterrent effect lies in the fact that your nation becomes a pariah rather than a smouldering pile of alpha particles. Anyway, nukes damage civilian and military targets indiscriminately. They run counter to all humanitarian principles. I don't want aloria's last action to be ordering the killing of civilians. |
| Date | 21:03:31, June 26, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | We should set an example and keep them banned. Even if we were attacked by another country, I don't even believe that blood thirsty revenge is always the best option. |
| Date | 00:19:17, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | let's vote. |
| Date | 00:43:55, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | I agree with AGSP here |
| Date | 13:56:21, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | This will not pass. |
| Date | 21:31:53, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | This could be one of the stupidest military decisions Aloria has made, ever. Ah well. |
| Date | 22:39:50, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Neoliberal Conservatives | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | At the current time we feel that Nuclear proliferation within our nation is not the right step foward, However we would like to point out that we do beleive in readying ourselves and preparing our armed forces are population as to best possible proceadures in a nuclear war, at the current time there is no chance of saving anyone within the Blast and direct contamination zones, but scientists from around the world are looking at ways in which to stop our cells from mutating ... so far they have come up with a pill.. we are unsire how effective this is as proper testing has yet to be followed out... we put it to this house that we should test and develop as much educational material and defence against the nuclear threat. it is at our own peril.. if we are concerned about the costs then perhaps the government could grant a private laboratory the right to begin to research this drug... they came have their profits from other countries whom will in no doubt be interested. |
| Date | 23:19:01, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | Not ethis would only mean we could start producing weapons without any leglation needing passed, not stockpiling. |
| Date | 00:02:07, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Nuclear Defence Act |
| Message | What about the bit that says that we can store them..? |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 29 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 301 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 70 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "Were it not for electricity, we would have to watch television in the dark." - Muammar Gaddafi- |