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Bill: Review of Torture Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2073
Description[?]:
| We propose to take another look at the Torture Act. Please read our suggestions before commenting. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:42:42, June 26, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | 1> All potential suspects will need to be cleared by the President. 2> A 'devils's advocate' will be present. 3> Only known terrorists or individuals with terrorist convictions in other countries may be eligible. 4> Only a limited range of tortures will be acceptable. |
| Date | 23:04:25, June 26, 2005 CET | From | mutt Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | The president is now inactive and removed. Who will now decide? |
| Date | 09:33:26, June 27, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | Whoever is the Vice President, or the next president (after the election) |
| Date | 13:36:12, June 27, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | We oppose this. Confessions obtained under interrogation are frequently inaccurate. However, should it indeed be implemented, the safeguards proposed by the People's Party appear more than sufficient. |
| Date | 17:31:29, June 27, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | Sometimes there is no other way... |
| Date | 18:16:23, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | No, people will obviously confess falsely to end the pain. This is only for corrupt governments who want to be able to claim things that are not true are true. |
| Date | 18:30:22, June 27, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | The safeguards proposed are acceptable. With both a prosecutor and a devil's advocate, as well as having torture methods limited, the torture will be more psychological than physical. Psychological tortures are not so patently false as physical ones. Furthermore, with presidential approval as a requirement, very few suspects will indeed be cleared. |
| Date | 19:52:39, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | Torture is torture and there are no two ways about it. Regardless of the crime, no on is deserving of such punishment. The furthest we could support is a death penalty in extreme circumstances, but even then... |
| Date | 20:16:36, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | It is just another government hypocracy where violence is concerned. If you want psychological torture, get a really good lawyer. |
| Date | 14:24:27, June 28, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Review of Torture Act |
| Message | LPE: Alright, fine. We'll hire lawyers to be the torturers. :P |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 52 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 91 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 19 |
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