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Bill: Titles
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2079
Description[?]:
| Again we attempt to create new titles for our leaders. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister
Current: Prime Minister or पंतप्रधानांची (Pantpradhan)
Proposed: Facilitator
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: President
Current: Rashtrapati ( राष्ट्रपती) sangh ke adhyaksh (President of the Union)
Proposed: Defender of the Will of the People
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:29:27, June 27, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Ok, Captain doesn't work but it puts the idea out there. |
| Date | 22:00:43, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | How about Steward? |
| Date | 22:00:56, June 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Nevermind, defender is okay. |
| Date | 11:13:24, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | yeah, captain maybe not but definitely we're up for something different. perhaps: -Primator -Master of the Assembly or -First Minister as for President, how about "President & Defender of the Will of the People" that way we can still refer to him or her as the President |
| Date | 11:28:42, June 28, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Comrade and comrade respectively. |
| Date | 16:36:38, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Defender? Captiain? Exactly how overtly fascist does the PP want us to be? We don't support any changes as this is a complete waste of our time on pointless cosmetic issues. |
| Date | 20:56:02, June 28, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Better we spend your time on cosmetic bills than destorying our economy. |
| Date | 02:07:29, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | The entire post of HoS and HoG as the rest of the cabinet are entirely cosmetic. Our leader, foreign minister and other cabinet members have failed to provide any leadership to this country. We feel that the ability of our cabinet must be called into question if they cannot even conduct themselves within the Assembly with decorum, let alone be representatives of our nation abroad. |
| Date | 05:47:57, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | It is the FRP, your coalition mate, that has representative unable to follow the basic rules of decorum; no member of the LevP has ever had to be escorted out of an official hearing by security for their repeated inability to abide by the rules of the meeting. What kind of leadership is the PP looking for? Or are they more interested in the kind of leadership that does what the plutocrats desire, rather than what is in the best interest of those citizens least able to defend themselves from the ravages of power and money? Who is helped when we cut funding to schools by siphoning it out to private schools? Those who can afford private schools. Who is helped when we allow businesses to hold onto copyrights for 20 years? Those who make money through monopoly. Who is helped when we allow private farming? Those that produce food for profit and deny food to those with no money. How should the cabinet conduct itself? Shall it do the will of the people or the will of the powerful? We will always choose for the people. |
| Date | 06:13:53, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | We expect our foreign minister to be a presence on the world stage or if he is unable to, the HoS or HoG. We expect the cabinet to listen to the minority parties instead of shutting out their opinions. We expect the members of the cabinet to put the future of the nation before their own ideology. We are not concerned however for the days of this government are numbered. The people are realizing that the actions produced by its members, are reducing our once great nation to a shadow of its former self. |
| Date | 07:04:53, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | "no member of the LevP has ever had to be escorted out of an official hearing by security for their repeated inability to abide by the rules of the meeting." -This is because unlike our current econ minister the majority of this Assemby is respectful of the LevP members right to speak their "mind" on each issue. |
| Date | 07:25:33, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | See previous statements regarding the actions of the Foreign Ministry. Just because the FM does not make headlines does not mean she is not working. Second, if the minority parties feel the need to reach across the aisle they are free to at any time. However, coming into a session on how to administer the CC stipend and then, instead of offering programs, proceeding to criticize the program does not constitute meaningful dialogue. The Minister of Economic Affairs does not legislate economic policy, he only enacts it, and so cannot go against the will of the legislature, which makes the comments of the FRP's representative quite curiously misplaced. Finally, if the PP could cite a single policy of the ruling coalition that has caused material harm to this country they would have. Instead, they have only supposition. They also conveninently show that all recent polls have shown that the Malivian people support, consistently and often overwhelmingly, the long held policies of the ruling coalition. The same cannot be said of the ad hoc Fee Deform Coalition, whose positions are not so popular with the everyman. Of course, knowing these things would require the PP do some research, or invest a minimum of time to actually understand the topic on which they speak. We only hope, sincerely, that their bravado does not turn into a dish of crow. |
| Date | 17:59:56, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | On polls: only 25% of the population are in favor of the current agriculture policy, an equal number (within margin of error) support no subsidies thus the PP's support for a compromise. 75% of the people are against the policy of the current government. nearly 60% support the reduction of tuition payments. These are the latest polls, and they show dissatisfaction with the current policies of the nation. But we digress from the topic at hand the proposal is for the titles of the leaders of our nations and we would respectfully like to redirect the debate to this topic. Our apologies for the digression. |
| Date | 03:29:35, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | The FRP was kicked out because of the LEviP's censorship. This proves your comparitive worth how? |
| Date | 07:40:56, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | The FRP rep was removed because he did not know how to conduct himself in an official committee chaired by the Minister of Economic Affairs. And how amusing the FRP's spin is, when it comes to opinion polls. Let us post the actual opinion polls: An opinion poll was held among the citizens of the United Federation of Malivia. The subject of the opinion poll was Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.. When asked what their opinions were, the following choices were made: Percentage Choice 26.45% The government denies subsidy assistance to farmers. 15.56% The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy. 15.80% The government subsidises agriculture based on market demand for the crop being grown. 25.49% All agricultural operations are state-owned and operated. 16.70% The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families. Clearly we will not deny all assistance to farmers, and the most popular option other than that is the current policy. An opinion poll was held among the citizens of the United Federation of Malivia. The subject of the opinion poll was Higher Education Tuition Policy. When asked what their opinions were, the following choices were made: Percentage Choice 16.96% The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor. 22.65% The government does not subsidize tuition, students must pay for higher education themselves. This does not include scholarship programs. 17.04% The government subsidizes higher education tuition to a certain amount, the rest is covered by the individual students. This includes scholarship programs. 43.36% The government fully subsidizes tuition. Here again, we see that the most popular option is the government's current policy. In both cases, a plurality may be against the current policy, but the policy is nonetheless the most popular option. Does the FRP intentionally misrepresent itself, or does it just have a careless disregard for the truth we tend to see among fascists? Hopefully sharing the actual data will clear up any misunderstandings among other parties. |
| Date | 07:42:09, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | We misspoke, all instances of 'FRP' should read 'PP,' as we misread the posting name. We apologize for the confusion. |
| Date | 14:49:08, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | We stand by our statements. The plurality is against the current policy. |
| Date | 14:49:45, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Anyway comments on the proposed titles? |
| Date | 15:01:40, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | sounds good, a little bit weird, but definitely better than "comrade president". as a side note, the FRP loves that the levp hides censorship behind a the mask of "decorum": "he didn't say it the way i wanted him to: shut him up!" HAHAHA, your policies are a joke levp, and so are you. |
| Date | 16:14:29, July 01, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Definitely against both of the proposed. Change 'Defender' to 'Servant' and we'd support that one. |
| Date | 18:12:52, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Yes the HoS is a servant to the people, since they are elected this is a given, but we view their role as more of a protector of their rights and views against the actions of the Assembly. The HoG's role is to insure the smooth running between the various cabinets hence their title. |
| Date | 18:22:16, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | We would like to reach some titles that the majority can agree with, so we are open to suggestions. Clearly we wlll not favor Comrade or comrade. These positions are those of leadership in our nation, we would like the title to reflect that. We do not object to some humility since the holders can be bounced right out should they prove unfit. any problems with current nominations or other suggestions? |
| Date | 15:29:07, July 04, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | the president's new name is good. HoG should be something more formal such as "First Minister" it shouldn't be too grand. |
| Date | 15:29:59, July 04, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | though we will vote on whatever is up there, so long as it is sensible. its about time we changed their titles. |
| Date | 04:38:03, July 05, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Anything but Pres and PM |
| Date | 11:27:28, July 06, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Facilitator? |
| Date | 00:03:05, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | Facilitator sounds like the leader of a self-help workshop. |
| Date | 00:57:07, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | We are as always, willing to hear other ideas. We find the current titles dull, and would like them changed to demonstrate the unique Malivian culture. |
| Date | 03:55:51, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | How about Premier for President and Chairman for Prime Minister. Still a little dull, but at least believable. We had some others though. Supreme Lord and Commander? Holy Emperor? El Presidente? |
| Date | 15:10:50, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | last time I try to meet LibCom half way. Still a no vote. |
| Date | 19:31:57, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | el presidente is one we'd support |
| Date | 00:40:11, July 13, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Titles |
| Message | We're still not comfortable with defender. And facilitator's pretty crap really, even if it was suggested by one of our more hygienically-impaired members. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 47 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 40 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 13 |
| Random fact: In order for a Cabinet bill to pass, more than half of the legislature must vote for it and all of the parties included in the proposed Cabinet must support it. If your nation has a Head of State who is also the Head of Government, then the party controlling this character must also vote for the bill, since the Head of Government is also a member of the Cabinet. If any of these requirements are not met, the bill will not pass. |
| Random quote: "A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar." H. L. Mencken |