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Bill: Moral Liberty Bill Deux
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressive Democratic Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2074
Description[?]:
Same as last time.
Legalising pornography and regulating it as to not present or encourage inequality or sexism. After all, if we have equal opportunity, pornography becomes completely a matter of choice. We should also keep in mind that pornography is purely a source of entertainment and watching it is completely up to the actual viewer and not forced upon them by any outside forces. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:03:51, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | Keep in mind: Pornography does not have to refer to hardcore porn but could also be normal men's and women's magazines which show... provocative images. Provocative to morally conservative people anyway.
OOC: I've only seen porn (TV kind) once, this is more of a debate on allowing more liberty and equality in our society without the government breathing down people's backs and interfering with PRIVATE life. There are only a few instances when we should interfere with private life such as when something brings harm to another. |
| Date | 14:08:50, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | you misinterpetate everything, weren't you also the one who thought i was promoting christian values? I just kicked your argument away that it would make people more secure. why was this last comment ooc? but it's got more to do with people's morals and values then with private lives. And i see the morals of this nation going down the toilet by introducing porn! |
| Date | 16:05:32, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | I support this bill, and again I fgind it amussing that a Commie party is using religion to justify it self, it is obviously more of a conservetive Party thenb a Communist one.
We should not impose our own moral vaules and believes on people, that is a right wing and conservetive idealogy, and I always thought the communist party was left wing, obviously not, the State-Capitalist Party maybe? |
| Date | 18:47:21, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | where did i mention religion? Communist parties around the world have been against prostitution and pornography... it's got to do with changing the people's attitude. Left and right-wing is on economic scale and if 1 party is not left wing on economic scale it is you! and the people's party and all party's that voted for the capitalist proposal of destroying the communal farms!
The only time i used christian values was to show the "people's" party that what he voted for was against both this christian values and his socialist values! You'r argumentation is wothless, why not actually debate the issue in stead of making false claims! beceause you both haven't responded to my argumentation in a decent way! |
| Date | 18:55:07, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | as you all who "studied" communism in history books made by capitalists know so much about communism and you probably also know that to reach a class-less, money-less and state-less society you need to change people sinc ethey are greeyd under the current system! :O:O:O so this hasn't got anything to do with my ideology in any way! Also there are thousands of interpetations of communism... well allright not thousands... but it's possible to interpetate in a thousand ways! |
| Date | 18:55:52, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | you are talking on the scale conservative - proggresive which has nothing to do with the economic scale left-right or with the power-scale authoritarian - democratic |
| Date | 18:56:57, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | and to all parties: most of these things are aimed at some part of a comment so dont feel so special that you feel as if every one of this comments are aimed at you! |
| Date | 18:59:45, June 28, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | i just read:"Same as last time.
Legalising pornography and regulating it as to not present or encourage inequality or sexism. After all, if we have equal opportunity, pornography becomes completely a matter of choice. We should also keep in mind that pornography is purely a source of entertainment and watching it is completely up to the actual viewer and not forced upon them by any outside forces. "
allrigth when people go into the porn business it's a lot fo times beceause they just need money. Men are more likely to watch porn beceause of the simple reason that woman don't get turned on by images but more by stories. This would lead to more woman being in such a sick business and thus in-eqaulity beceause woman are looked down upon in such movies. |
| Date | 10:39:05, June 29, 2005 CET |
From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | We believe that, due to social conditioning, the pornography industry is inherantly biased. It removes the sancitity of the individual, degrading them to little more to little more than 'slabs of meat'. The people represented in pornographic material are not individuals, no, they are presented as representatives of an entire gender. Thus we feel that the whole concept is derragatory to the values of indivualism and equality. In conclusion, we would point out to the honourable member of Parliament that, by all accounts, the current stance is supported by a majority of Darnussians, as was proved by a recent survery. |
| Date | 17:36:44, June 29, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | It does not have to be biased. What do we do with the minority that want pornography? Send in fully armed police squads with automatic weaponry to stomp down their door and arrest them. How is it "the people don't know what's good for them"? It's not like pornography will be forced on them, they could just say screw off to the people that do. If it was an absolute 100% majority in census meaning everyone does not want it, then I will not place it. We need to keep in mind the rights of the minority to not be oppressed by a majority.
The view we take here and in any of these types of issues is that there's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation.
Also, if you read my bill closely, it can be regulated because if something is discriminatory all deals with the subject matter in the piece in question. |
| Date | 17:58:50, June 29, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | yes, yes and little children will find this pornography and will have a very bad image of woman in general, they will see them as objects! And no there will not eb any fully armed police sqauds, just what hapens with every minor crime! you have to pay. And that remakr of the the people dont know whats good for them was made by your fellow capitalist party. |
| Date | 18:37:15, June 29, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | Show me evidence.
You portray women as weaker individuals than men who cannot look after themselves. That, my friend, is a very backwards view which is heavily influenced by traditional society. There are incidences of rape involving a woman raping a woman or a woman raping a man or a man raping another man. Rape and like immature behaviour stems from the fact that sex is still ingrained into the minds of the people at an early age as an inhibition. Thus, many people lose control of their emotions and/or desires in such a society. |
| Date | 18:45:07, June 29, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | I do not view woman like that. But woman will be viewed by that with the introduction of porn, evidence... sigh thats a lot of searching back i've heard all those things on the news some 2 years ago... And rape is done by frustrated teens a lot who have only seen sex on pictures while if they have not seen it just on the sexual education it's nto seen as a thing you just do as it is now but as a special thing... Little Children would already get a stiffy when they saw marillon Menson but when they would see a woman masturbating they would have more trouble getting a stiffy later! just how you look at it... |
| Date | 00:17:05, June 30, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | Well that is probably just you. No offense. You need to learn to better understand your inner self and achieve peace with it.
The problem is that the whole nation should not suffer because of one man. |
| Date | 07:20:18, June 30, 2005 CET |
From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | Finally this bill will pass, I thought it was overlooked when I proposed a bill for it, but people actually want porn illegal. "With every prohibition you create, you also create an underground" -Jello Biafra (something like that) Just think of what the underground would be like? Child porn, Unprotected sex, Voyaeur(sp?) porn, as long as it's legal we can regulate it. I mean we have a hard enough time enforcing child porn laws in the US as it stands. With the amount of freedom our citizens are allowed, we'll need to focus a huge amout of resources on the problem already. So let's not make it harder by outlawing all porn and creating a bigger underground. I don't know why I'm even arguing this point, as it stands it looks like it'll pass. |
| Date | 13:43:25, June 30, 2005 CET |
From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Moral Liberty Bill Deux | | Message | SEP: no it's not just me, children and teens look to easy to sexuality and rape is much more common.
UoL: In that case you still can arrest these people in this underground... now all these things are done legally. |
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