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Bill: Nationalise Higher Education

Details

Submitted by[?]: LibCom Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2074

Description[?]:

Since we're funding tuition at these institutions, and to ensure consistent educational standards throughout the system, higher education must be in the hands of the people, not the private sector. All decision-making will be left to the staff and students of each institution, who will appoint delegates to a national coordinating body which will act in an advisory capacity to ensure that all educational needs are met.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date11:49:40, June 28, 2005 CET
From Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
Messagenot on your life.

Date11:56:42, June 28, 2005 CET
From Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
Messagewe will keep it the way it is becuase there is no reason to limit higher education.

Date12:00:50, June 28, 2005 CET
From Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
Messageooc: would you nationalise a place like Harvard, Yale or Princeton? or What about liberal arts colleges with small student populations like Pomona or Occidental or Claremont Mckenna. You would be getting rid of places like stanford.

you know what the big thing is that all those universities and colleges have in common? its the fact that they all have high standards which would drop like a stone through a wet paper bag if the government took over the job.

you know why it is also so pointless to nationalise schools like them; becuase it doesn't mater if you are poor or rich, you get in based on merit and if you can't afford it they help you. plus the government supports everyone who goes to college anyway.

ic: pointless, so please

Date12:01:16, June 28, 2005 CET
From Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
Messageget rid of this bill

Date16:30:05, June 28, 2005 CET
FromLeviathan Party
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageIs this the first case of spamming the legislature with multiple meaningless statements? Looks like it. Bring this to a vote and we'll see how the chips fall.

Date21:37:10, June 28, 2005 CET
FromSocial Republican Party
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageWe look forward to defeating this.

Date00:04:01, June 29, 2005 CET
FromLibCom Party
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageWell now's your chance.

But note that decisions won't be made by government but by the staff and students of each institution, so the FRP's objections don't stand up.

Date00:57:30, June 29, 2005 CET
From Protectorate Party
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageAgain the LibCom puts the power into the hands of the people who don't necessarily know what they are doing and then in the guise of oversight creates the government body which will actually control the schools.
What does this oversight committee do if all the power is in the hands of the school. We will tell you what will happen. The schools just like the owners of the land used in farming will lose their freedoms one by one "in the public interest" until they become puppets of this "national coordinating body."

Date05:39:53, June 29, 2005 CET
FromLeviathan Party
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageIronically, putting schools in the hands of private individuals is no better guarantee against incompetance than a government body. In fact, if we allow citizens to vote in the representativea to these oversight bodies, we create a far greater degree of accountability than exists in any private body.

Date11:53:41, June 29, 2005 CET
FromLibCom Party
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageWho's better qualified to run schools than those who work in them every day?

Date13:52:05, June 29, 2005 CET
From Free Reform Coalition (FRP)
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
Messagelet us use the argument that libcom used in the bill concerning protestors and police:

if an extremist party came to power, we will have done their dirty work for them.

in other words, its just another place for extremist propaganda if you nationalize ALL education then there may be the chance that you never get more than the perspective that the government makes you learn.

Date13:58:35, June 29, 2005 CET
FromRadical Centrists
ToDebating the Nationalise Higher Education
MessageWe are not ideologically opposed, but feel that we should focus spending on basic skills before we tackle specialist education.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 47

no
     

Total Seats: 53

abstain
  

Total Seats: 0


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