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Bill: Law regulating the religions regulation of the individual (4th try)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hobrazian Peoples Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2289
Description[?]:
| Article 1: Those interested in religion should by themselves search for their believes and therefore go directly to those involved and get information. It should also be able to arrange home teaching by religious movements. It should not be allowed for groups or individuals anywhere in our country to preach religion to those not interested in such things. Noone should attempt to to force religious perspectives on anyone else without their consent. Article 2: After reviewing interesting ideas of other nations, HPP wanna create a dress code concerning employees in the state and for them who have a public function. They should no longer have the right to wear religous clothing. They represent the state and sould be totally neutral while doing their duty. As political independence is creved, as should religious independence. In all other cases, the choosing of clothes is completely voluntary, respecting other laws on this matter. Article 3: Why should religious communities go free of national law as they are hiring people too? We should also regulate this to secure ministers in getting what they are worth. Also this will save the state money if ministers do not receive anything for their work and then end up on welfare. We should make sure the religious communities pay their ministers. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Current: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Proposed: Public officials are not allowed to wear religious symbols while exercising their duties.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religions shall be regulated by the law, but shall be borne by the religious communities themselves.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religions shall be regulated by the law, but shall be borne by the religious communities themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:51:30, September 25, 2006 CET | From |  National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Law regulating the religions regulation of the individual (4th try) |
| Message | This is ridiculous. Article 1: If a religion is to be taxed as a business, it should be able to advertise as one. Anything else would be hypocrisy. Anyways, HPP's argument that this forces religion down people's throat is flawed. If one sees a commercial for Wal-Mart, does that mean that Wal-Mart is forcing its views down people? No. We hope that the populace of Hobrazia is wise enough to be able to educating decisions when and if they decide to adopt a faith. Article 2: Once again pointless. Why should a Sikh have to remove his turban while serving? Or a Jew to remove his yamacha? They don't stop becoming Sikh or Jewish just because they are a public official. Article 3: WTF? Really? This is ridiculous. "We should make sure the religious communities pay their ministers." They already do. "We should also regulate this to secure ministers in getting what they are worth." The whole existence of article 3 undermines your arguments for article 2. You talk about how government employees should be religiously neutral when they serve the state, yet propose that the state regulate ministers' salaries? We hope that the HPP will recognize the laughability of this. |
| Date | 08:55:20, September 25, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Law regulating the religions regulation of the individual (4th try) |
| Message | *able to make |
| Date | 04:01:31, September 26, 2006 CET | From | HSP (Hobrazian Socialist Party) | To | Debating the Law regulating the religions regulation of the individual (4th try) |
| Message | Whilst I agree with much of HPP's rationale this goes to far. I would be willing to support proposal 3 however and proposal 2 has some merit. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 52 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 348 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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