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Bill: School Preservation Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: United Socialist Movement

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2075

Description[?]:

The USM are worried that private schools running for profit are endangering both the education of our young people, and also creating a two tier system. We believe it is shocking that you should pay for what is seen as a 'better education'. This is not the case and simply will not do. By having state only schools we can ensure the best education possible for all our children, leading to bright career prospects or higher education in one of our state-run university facilities or the like. We belive that this is a very reasonable proposal, and hope that there will be cross-party support for this Bill.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date21:34:49, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageThe USM are worried that private schools running for profit are endangering both the education of our young people, and also creating a two tier system. We believe it is shocking that you should pay for what is seen as a 'better education'. This is not the case and simply will not do. By having state only schools we can ensure the best education possible for all our children, leading to bright career prospects or higher education in one of our state-run university facilities or the like. We belive that this is a very reasonable proposal, and hope that there will be cross-party support for this Bill.

Date21:35:16, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageOf course, it also helps that I type in the right box..

Date21:38:09, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessagePeople should have choice. If the rich can afford to send their children to private schools then they should be able and take the burden off the shoulders of the government. At the same time these schools are monitored so that they perform at the same standards as state schools. Perhaps you could explain your reasoning in the bill description?

Date21:38:34, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageIgnore last statement - I take time to think up my posts.

Date21:41:44, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageThe point is that it simply isn't fair that rich people have the choice, but those living in poverty and can't afford have to do without. Again, it makes it seem like private education is better schooling at a cost. This will not take our country forward.

Date21:46:25, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessagePlease give evidence that Hobrazian state schooling < Hobrazian private schooling.

People in poverty are already guarenteed a high quality of education through such initiatives as the National Currriculum. Many private schools also offer a bursary system in which poorer pupils have their tution fees subsidised, cancelling your point.

Date21:52:14, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageThe point is not cancelled at all.

I'm not saying at all that Hobrazian State Schooling is worse than Hobrazian Private Schooling at all: but this is the mentality of the rich who choose to put their children there. Hobrazian Schooling is excellent: and should be for ALL pupils if possible.

Private schooling may also take teachers away from the state system, with enticement of better wages and the like.

I would like to alert you to the statement "MANY publoic schools offer a bursary system" This is not all schools. Even with such subsidies, i believe it would cost poorer families more out of their budget than a rich family. If you've got any proof of private school subsidies in Hobrazia, then i'd be happy to see them.

Private schooling creates a two tier education system which is extremely unhealthy. Does this also mean that the United Blobs support private health care and health institutions?

Date21:58:21, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageActually our view on private health care is the same as education - allowed but with tight regualtion - and for the same reasons. Have a look at the discussion bill on it (http://aiglesrv.no-ip.info:8080/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=792) and you will find we agree with the ideas raised by the WSS.

As you admitted "Hobrazian Schooling is excellent". This is with the current system: you have just accepted it works. Apply the principle of "it it aint broke don't fix it" and you've got our viewpoint.

Date22:06:22, June 29, 2005 CET
FromWe Say So! Party
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageIf verifiable and irrefutable information could be provided to the fact that Hobrazian schools are operating on a two-tier system, with the Public part of said system performing below par, then you can guarentee that the WSS (education minister for multiple terms) would react quickly and decisively to improve the system, however it is not our position to tell people that they should not be allowed to choose the way in which their children are educated. It is, however, our responsibility to provide the best education for both Public and Privately taught individuals, something we have progressively done.

Date22:06:23, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageYes, Hobrazian Schooling is Excellent. This is not about altering our state system, it is about banning conuter-productive private schools!

Date22:19:04, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageHow are they counter productive?

Also look at the ideology bars. Currently they are slightly private for education. This bill is therefore against their wishes.

Date22:26:56, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageNote slightly. This bill is of the wishes of others which are let down time and time again by the parties in power.

I've explained in previsou posts why they are counter productive.

Date22:42:25, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
Message"Note slightly." - That's why it's the current option not fully private or fully public

"This bill is of the wishes of others which are let down time and time again by the parties in power." - Quick history lesson. The parties in power in Hobrazia have remained the same for years. The only major change was when Wouter accidently reset the regions causing a massive change in power (I lost 20% of my seats in 2 elections). If the people were "let down" why have the voted the same people in again and again?

Date22:52:21, June 29, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageI would put this down to a lack of real political alternatives. The USM are the new radical alternative.

We will not stand by whilst elitist, discriminatory private schooling is allowed.

Date23:36:45, June 29, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Liberal Party
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageThe UB raises a good point in that private schools do take some of the burden off of the state education system. So long as state schools are just as good as private ones, we see no reason why parents should be denied the choice to pay the exorbitant fees required to put their children through a private education.

Date08:16:16, June 30, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
Message"The USM are the new radical alternative." - To be honest I view you as the same as the old Socialist Party but more argumentative.

Date10:12:37, July 02, 2005 CET
From Liberal-Progressive Union
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageI don't believe banning private schools is necessary or helpful to the education system. If private schools can provide a quality education to a student, then the option should remain open for the parents to send their child to a private rather than public school.

Date20:30:36, July 02, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
Message@L-PU - You talk about the choice, but where is the choice for those in poverty? Same questio to the SDLP - i expected more from "democratic socialists" and "liberals" to be honest. Where do your convictions really lie?

@UB - You may see me as this, but you can't speak for the populatio of Hobrazia.

Date00:18:17, July 03, 2005 CET
FromUnited Blobs
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageLet's see how your election results compare with theirs...

Date02:12:26, July 03, 2005 CET
From Liberal-Progressive Union
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageAllowing a small number of private schools will not decrease public school standards. As for the poverty issue thats why we have a public school system, so everyone receives a quality education regardless of income. I still believe investing in public schools is the most important issue but allowing some private schools to operate does not threaten the standards of the public system.

Date18:19:37, July 03, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
Message@UB - the USM are exstatic at our political progress and amount of seats, being newly on the political scene.

Date15:06:21, July 05, 2005 CET
FromUnited Socialist Movement
ToDebating the School Preservation Act
MessageI'd like to thank the CSP for their support of this Bill. Unfortunately we have not won this time!

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