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Bill: Presumed Consent Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Centrist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2076
Description[?]:
| To ensure that organ donation waiting lists do not get out of hand, the LFP suggests establishing a presumed consent law whereby anyone who doesn't register as a non-donor may have any healthy organs in their body removed after death and given to those still alive and in need of them. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning organ donations.
Old value:: Organ donations are legal with personal consent.
Current: Organ donations are legal with personal consent.
Proposed: Unless otherwise stated, consent is assumed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:39:25, June 29, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | We recognize that some might feel that organ donations are immoral, and while we do not understand this position, we respect it with an "opt-out" program. We would like to say that we will support all actions to make the practice compulsory, but since this is what we view as the best-possible answer, we will not propose such ourselves. |
| Date | 21:42:50, June 29, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | I believe it is better reversed. People have the right to be buried in peace, without the govt slicing them up for the next guy who comes along. |
| Date | 22:20:37, June 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | I am torn. civil rights/curing people On balance, I will surprise myself and say that actually this may be the better option, as long as it is well publicised. |
| Date | 22:27:42, June 29, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | You objected once when I said that without health nothing can be enjoyed. Perhaps I can try that again. There is no "quality of life" consideration for the dead. And of course it'd be well-publicized. We'll send notice to every hospital, church, and terrestrial news station of the new policy. We won't actively promote it ourselves, but by sending word to so many outlets, at least a few of them should have an opinion that they try to get across aggressively. |
| Date | 22:41:21, June 29, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | Yeah but not everyone has the time or the energy to run down and get himself put off the list. People are lazy, forgetful. What if you diein your sleep? While outside or die young? Suddenly, by default, the govt gets to take over your body and dispose of you like yesterday's garbage....with not even so much as a ' by your leave' And publicity doesnt mean that everyone will get the message...there might be people who are totally oblivious to the fact that they're going to have govt surgeaons crawling all over them seconds after they're gone...what about them? |
| Date | 00:00:03, June 30, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | "Yeah but not everyone has the time or the energy to run down and get himself put off the list. People are lazy, forgetful." That's what this is supposed to avoid. It picks up the people who don't care either way, and ensures that people who would otherwise donate but forgot aren't missed. Anyone who's too lazy to opt out obviously dosn't care enough about the issue to think it's worth opting out over. If they didn't care, then why should we respect their non-existent opinion? |
| Date | 01:02:37, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | If there is consent, people are more willing. If it is mandatory or presumed, it is unfair to their civil rights. Plus this IS open to potential abuse. This is very important and ought to require consent. |
| Date | 02:25:45, June 30, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | It is distinctly unimportant, really. Dead people don't need their organs. Live people wouldn't have them taken away. People don't get more caring because there is consent. They become more apathetic. People only care when the government starts presuming on them. Frankly, I would rather motivate them to oppose than have them just be, "meh, who cares?" This will raise visibility on the problem of organ donation waiting times. And there are many, many people who will be grateful. It will also make health care cheaper and more widely affordable. As it is, only the rich can afford a timely organ donation, while the poor sit on life support systems for months at a time. |
| Date | 11:15:44, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | As I have said the civil rights is an issue. but in this case, as we are balancing the rights of the dead against the fate of so many living, I can cope with the removal of a few rights... Its not like we're advocating slavery. *cough* |
| Date | 11:31:05, June 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | Sorry, sorry sorry. unfair, wrong debating method. Please forgive me. |
| Date | 11:54:59, July 02, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | As a traditional Catholic, I cannot assume the consent for mutilation of the body on death. I will oppose this measure. |
| Date | 00:27:36, July 03, 2005 CET | From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | Even in death, a person has a right to dignity and the right to be buried without having been harvested by vultures. A voluntary system at this point, until there is a real national crisis is far better and respects human right and dignity. |
| Date | 08:08:07, July 04, 2005 CET | From | Right Wing Liberals Party | To | Debating the Presumed Consent Act |
| Message | I cannot allow the pillaging of Organs from the dead. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 47 | ||||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 153 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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