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Bill: SP - Energy Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Páirtí Sóisialach
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2296
Description[?]:
| The Centre party seeks support on this issue. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Energy regulation.
Old value:: Energy is provided by nationalised companies.
Current: Energy is provided by nationalised companies.
Proposed: Energy is provided by private companies but the prices they can charge are regulated.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:54:59, October 07, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | No, energy's too essential to privatize. |
| Date | 00:55:17, October 07, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | This won't pass before the elections either. |
| Date | 23:05:58, October 09, 2006 CET | From | Páirtí Sóisialach | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | Private ownership is much better than public ownership. A public company has no compelling reason to turn a profit, and thus requires regular monetary injections. Private companies, on the other hand, have no choice, unless they go bankrupt. This means that private companies must be timely and efficient. How many here think the NHS fits those (please, no pro-Blair rhetoric)? (again, IADP, examples) Also, do not construe my meaning to be that I would favour a monopoly. I despise monopolies as much as public ownership. So, what say you, good representatives of Telamon? Do you want your constituents to have cheaper, more efficient electricity? Do you want your constituents who live far from the hub to have just as much power as those who live by it? Do you want the betterments of this act of privatisation to be handed to your constituents? If so, vote yes. |
| Date | 00:43:10, October 10, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | The problem is essentially this: private companies do all of what you have said above, but they do it at the expense of the consumer. In the production of non-essential goods this acceptable. However, in the production of essential products and items such as energy, this most certainly is not. Private companies will turn a profit by cutting corners. Public corporations have no such motivation, and with sufficient oversight, they can be well-run machines as well. And you think the NHS is bad? You are most certainly fortunate that you are not living the alternative, my American system, which is far worse. |
| Date | 14:29:06, October 10, 2006 CET | From | Páirtí Sóisialach | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | Like I said, private companies will deliver dependable, quality, service because they know that if they don't, their customers may always switch their patronage. Thus, service will be good and prices reasonable and probably competitive, otherwise, they won't have customers very long. Yes, the NHS has a lot of problems. I agree with Labour that in 1997, an unacceptable majority of NHS structures were built prior to the creation of the NHS, but the first steps to remedy this were taken (which people seem to conveniently forget) by Margaret Thatcher's government. Everything else that 'New' Labour has done has been disasterous (q.v. David Cameron's Conference Speech). But, then, I digress. I urge all parties to vote for this measure. |
| Date | 16:13:19, October 10, 2006 CET | From | Anarchista Kommunista Csapat | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | Public companies have a direct incentive to be efficent: their consumers have direct political authority over them, not through the indirect forces of the market. True, the democratic organs that regulate nationalized industry is not perfect, but neither is market competition. The perfect competition that is assumed by neo-classical economic coots is a theoretical state of unlimited firms that thus cannot collude, identical products, and fully rational consumers. The approach toward perfect competition yealds an infinite asymptote as in-achievable as absolute zero. |
| Date | 21:24:11, October 10, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | Interesting involvement by Dundorf, but it's welcome. |
| Date | 23:50:00, October 10, 2006 CET | From | Páirtí Sóisialach | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | I will again repeat that public companies have no incentive to turn a profit because if they run into trouble, the government can just inject money and its all hunkey-dorey except that this causes inefficiency and inflation. |
| Date | 02:34:13, October 11, 2006 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the SP - Energy Bill |
| Message | Anything can cause inflation these days. Usually its the nasty oil companies. No, public companies don't want to turn a profit, that's not their goal. Their goal is to get reelected to positions of administration within public companies, and they do that by providing good services. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 111 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 164 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 20 |
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