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Bill: Recreational Drugs

Details

Submitted by[?]: Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2077

Description[?]:

If people want to hurt themselves, let them.

We can at least tax and regulate it.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date01:38:40, July 02, 2005 CET
FromLiberal Party of Telamon
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNEVER

Date01:40:22, July 02, 2005 CET
FromConservative Party of Telamon
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageDon't even dare think about it....

Date05:25:16, July 02, 2005 CET
FromTelemon Lutheran Party
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNO WAY, if some sob decides to smoke marijuana, and then drive a car home and runs over some poor person, this is not just effecting hiself but is putting the public at risk too.

Date15:59:02, July 02, 2005 CET
FromRationalist Party
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNo regulation = no tax, no law regarding intoxication etc NO

Date19:54:47, July 02, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNo, it says no laws regulating "What you can put into your body"

Which means you are allowed to use any drug you want. You can still tax it.

Date19:57:12, July 02, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageWhen I say regulate, I'm saying the government can require only licensed people to sell it, if thats important to everyone else.

Date20:00:00, July 02, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNazi Party: The same thing can be said for Alcohol and that is legal. The laws that apply to driving drunk, would also apply to users of any drugs.

Everyone please state why you are against it. Dont just say "no".


Date20:00:47, July 02, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageHehe, I just noticed that last line I posted. Wasn't meant as any pun.

Date20:05:49, July 02, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageQ: You are looking at a change in laws that may involve all drugs, not just marijuana. What about the terrible health consequences of heroin use, such as fatal overdoses, AIDS, and abscesses from infected needles?

A: Fatal overdoses are a direct result of prohibition, just as blindness from bathtub gin was a direct result of the alcohol prohibition of the 1920s.
In a prohibition situation, there is no guarantee that the user is getting what the drug dealer says he or she is getting, or in the expected concentration. Regulation should remove the risk of accidental overdose.

AIDS and terrible abscesses are also a direct result of prohibition. n Germany, Switzerland and Holland, where addicts are provided with fresh sterile "works" (and in Switzerland and Holland, with purity-regulated heroin) these health problems disappear.

Imagine if a user could get a premeasured dose in a disposable single-use syringe -- use once, dispose -- no AIDS transmission, no abscesses, no unintentional ODs from unknown dosages, no hepatitis. The health consequences from regulated opiate use are, overall, fairly minor, and less severe than those of alcohol addiction.

The health consequences of the War on Drugs, however, are severe.

----------------------------------------------------
This is from a DrugWar FAQ
If you really want to know about it here is a link

http://www.drugwarfaq.com/

Its mainly about the US drug war, but everyone here from other countries can still get the idea.

Date10:28:41, July 03, 2005 CET
FromLiberal Party of Telamon
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
Messagelisten, dont try to support drug use, you just look stupid

Date12:12:32, July 03, 2005 CET
FromTelemon Lutheran Party
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageDrug use is different to alcohol, do people kill people to get alcohol? do people smuggle it into our country and then force it into teenagers bodies? NO they dont. Furthermore, drugs

Date12:15:18, July 03, 2005 CET
FromTelemon Lutheran Party
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageYou should see the damage it has done in Australia, and how many young people it has killed. And even if it was legal, and it was regulated, deaths will not decrease, only increace due to the fact that it is common knowledge that drugs are OK.

Date12:18:39, July 03, 2005 CET
FromTelemon Lutheran Party
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
Messageignore that furthermore part of my message, it got cut off for some reason.

Date19:31:42, July 03, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
Message"Drug use is different to alcohol, do people kill people to get alcohol? do people smuggle it into our country and then force it into teenagers bodies? NO they dont. Furthermore, drugs"

Do you even know what you are saying? Alcohol was illegal back in the 1920s in the US and YES people KILLED because of it. Just like drugs today.

Did anyone here read this link?
http://www.drugwarfaq.com/

Date19:34:19, July 03, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageThe only difference between alcohol and drugs is that alcohol is legal.

Date20:21:14, July 03, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageQ:What is the most dangerous club drug?

A: Alcohol. In fact, alcohol kills more people than all other drugs, both legal and illegal, combined.
Q:If alcohol is so dangerous, why is it legal?

A1: Because the 21st amendment of the US constitution makes it so.
A2: Perhaps more important, because prohibition was a complete failure.

Date00:43:17, July 04, 2005 CET
FromUnited Liberal Alliance
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageI'm afriad that I'm going to have to say that legalising all drugs and without any regulations (as in this proposal) is probably going to far even for me. I understand both arguments (though I really can't be boethered posting now) so I shall probably abstain on this (though I am more inclined to vote no than yes at present - though I am in a difficult position!!!)

Date06:14:09, July 04, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNO NO NO

You are not listening!!!!

YOU CAN REGULATE IT!
The drugs that is. This proposal does not prevent the regulation of the drugs themselves.
This proposal just allows people to use any drug they want. The drugs can still be regulated! Just like alcohol. It is legal to drink any alcohol, but there are regulations to it ( i think)
Legalizing drugs is the EXACT SAME as legalizing alcohol.

Date06:20:21, July 04, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageQ: Isn't illegal recreational drug use just flat out immoral?

A: No. If we use a common definition of "immoral" as "harmful to others", definitely not. It is the effects of prohibition that are harmful to others.

Illegal recreational drug use happens to be, for political reasons, illegal. Currently, it is frowned upon and demonized out of all proportion to its actual effects on society.

Most people, if they knew all the facts and thought it through, would not consider drug use to be immoral, no more than the majority of Americans consider smoking cigarettes or social drinking to be immoral.

Once again, though, we distinguish between "use" and "irresponsible use" and "addiction". "Irresponsible use" can be immoral, as in the case of a drunk driver who injures or kills someone in an accident. "Addiction" is, in our opinion, possibly immoral if the addict becomes a burden on others, as in the case of an alcoholic parent who can no longer hold a job or care for his or her children.
http://www.drugwarfaq.com/

Date06:22:13, July 04, 2005 CET
From Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageQ: Sure, marijuana may not be all that harmful. But how can you possibly compare drugs like heroin, cocaine, and ecstasy with alcohol? We are talking about junkies, here! No one drinks alcohol to get high!

A: Alcohol is a drug. It is a hard drug. The pleasurable effects of a bit too much alcohol are, absolutely, a "high", much like the feeling the users of these other drugs are seeking.

And for a small percentage of the population, alcohol is as addictive as heroin and cocaine, and hundreds of times more likely to be physically addictive than marijuana or ecstasy. Alcoholics are less likely to be functional than is a junkie (heroin addict) on a maintenance dose. Alcohol is among the most dangerous and deadly of drugs.

Yet we tolerate alcohol fairly well as a society because it is legally regulated and out in the open. We can deal directly with its issues, and with the damage it does to (and via) addicts and irresponsible users.

http://www.drugwarfaq.com/

Date00:07:29, July 06, 2005 CET
FromTelamon National Party
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageNo, only a nutter would vote yes to this.

Date22:07:58, July 07, 2005 CET
FromUnited Liberal Alliance
ToDebating the Recreational Drugs
MessageI'm afraid that without the option to introduce government regulations (which currently there isn't), I shall have to vote no to this proposal

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