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Bill: Gated Community Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Blobs
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2077
Description[?]:
| This bill is for discussing whether to introduce gated communities or not. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: No gated communities are allowed.
Current: Both the government and the private sector can set up gated communities.
Proposed: Both the government and the private sector can set up gated communities.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:29:49, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I personally would allow private and public to set them up. Anyone else have a view as I am happy to change as this does not matter much to me. |
| Date | 11:33:58, July 02, 2005 CET |
From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I see no reason to oppose this. But under what regulations do you see a private community being set up, or will there be any regulations for this? |
| Date | 11:47:21, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I haven't though up the details of regulations. I'm only proposing this to bring up a discussion on the matter. If you have any ideas I would be happy to hear them. |
| Date | 15:11:16, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | To be honest, I see no requirement to set up gated communities. I can't see any advantages to it, but it does begin the seperation of parts of the community, which can only be dangerous. |
| Date | 20:31:50, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | Can the government prevent people from choosing to live for whatever reason in a gated community? I don't see the harm that this causes anyone. |
| Date | 20:47:23, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | What about freedom to roam, for example? If I wish to stand in the middle of the street, why should I be stopped by security guards for not being part of the community? |
| Date | 20:54:23, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | Standing in the middle of the street poses a danger, choosing to live in a gated community is relativlely harmless. I don't believe the government should take the initiative in setting up these communities, but it should not interfere with those who choose to build and or live in a gated community. |
| Date | 21:10:20, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I just don't see the prerequisite for setting up these communities. As long as our police do their job, what requirement is there for them?
They also begin seperating one section of the community away from another which, in the long run, can forge unwanted feuds between those "in-the-community" and those in the "Real World". |
| Date | 21:18:18, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I agree that the government should not set up these communities, but it also should not interfere when these communities are set up. Wouldn't this only affect a tiny percentage of the population anyhow? I don't believe these communities will cause any "class strife" between the gated and the non-gated population. |
| Date | 21:23:36, July 02, 2005 CET |
From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | Perhaps not intentionally, and probably not immediately.
As stated, I see no reason for them, be they public or private, however, I am not aversed to being persuaded. |
| Date | 19:39:17, July 03, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | If no one wants a change I'll leave this in debate to keep a record of the debate and will bring it up again if and when we get an opinion poll on it. |
| Date | 01:57:39, July 04, 2005 CET |
From | Right Party | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | Once again, we find ourselves on the same wavelength with LPU.
No to government built communities, yes to the private ones.
Also, private gated communities open a huge job market, namely for security officers, creating more jobs will reduce unemployment rate somewhat and bring more cash to the treasury through tax.
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| Date | 14:41:19, July 04, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I wonder what the EUP think as they can make all the difference in this. |
| Date | 15:31:16, July 04, 2005 CET |
From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | As far as I read the RP's statement, they are only talking about the increase in tax from security officers (through employment) rather than a differing tax structure for those in gated communities...unless I missed their point?
If we are to allow private gated communities, why not public? What makes one better than the other? I'm sorry, I just don't understand the requirement. |
| Date | 15:43:31, July 04, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I have no problem with either public or private. As for the tax why not tax those living in a private community higher for let's say a "property tax" than those living in a public community? |
| Date | 11:57:55, July 06, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | Could you elaborate how that would work? Or should I put this to vote allowing both public and private and add that in a second bill? |
| Date | 16:15:54, July 06, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | I'll support this as is. And the property tax idea needs to be thought through more. Something along the lines of if a person chooses to live in a private community their property can be taxed according to the size of their property and location. Also taxes can be placed on their homes according to how much their home is worth. Expensive homes in private communities can possibly bring in a decent revenue source in taxes. I don't know, I'm just floating ideas around. |
| Date | 19:22:01, July 06, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | Do you mean a special tax that only applies to residents of private gated communities? Or do you mean one that applies to all private homes? Or both? It may just be best to leave out the ideas of taxes for the moment as we don't know whether we could implement them come economy. |
| Date | 21:07:37, July 06, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | @WSS - Actually this will go through if either:-
The RP follows what you said and votes for this
The CSP or SDLP goes for it
The EUP get marked as inactive before this goes through
So it's quite likely.
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| Date | 01:21:30, July 07, 2005 CET |
From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Gated Community Act | | Message | OOC: If i'm honest, the only gated community I've ever come across is the one Eminem lives in (when I stayed with a family in Michigan), I'm not sure they even exist here in the UK. I plead total ignorance on the subject, and will be voting yes because as the votes stand it's going to pass anyway! |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 268 |
| no | Total Seats: 92 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 40 |
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