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Bill: Government policy concerning granting nationality
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partito Nazionale
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2304
Description[?]:
This policy is aimed to reduce illegal immigration for the benefit of our nation. Only a national can act for the benefit of his / her nation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning granting nationality (national of this state without implication of having citizenship rights).
Old value:: Anyone receives nationality but immigrants must pass a test to gain nationality.
Current: Anyone receives nationality but immigrants must pass a test to gain nationality.
Proposed: Only those born in this country or to nationals receive nationality.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 09:59:42, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Our aim is to reduce the ammount of immigrants comming in the country with the aim to become nationals. We believe that nationals are born nationals and not made. |
Date | 15:01:13, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | This is ridiculous. |
Date | 15:23:44, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Kindly give reasons |
Date | 17:32:46, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Putting it as simply as I can.... Fascist, eugenic, rhetoric aside... There is simply no legal justification to deny nationality for legal immigrants. |
Date | 18:18:17, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Yes you can call us "Fascist, eugenic, rhetoric" but you can't call us traitors of our own nation. We'll never sell what our ancestors built to an immigrant. The nationals shall be privileged in their own land. |
Date | 20:45:17, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | We strongly agree with the proposal. Not only because it is our policy to stop illegal immigration but also because we believe that nationality cannot be sold nor bought. The Conservative Party will vote yes. |
Date | 23:44:03, October 25, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | I'm glad that the party in government is in favor of this bill. I'm sorry that the SLP is still contrary because all the nation can benefit from this law. We will proceed by taking a vote on this emendment, and we promise the electorate that plans for future bill are being drafted. |
Date | 14:36:05, October 26, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | This is absurd. |
Date | 14:38:42, October 26, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | What is even more absurd is the reasons suggested for it. People migrate because of the living conditions in their country of origin. This law will not stop illegal immigration. Nationalism is a mental disorder. |
Date | 15:49:52, October 26, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Nationalism is based on a smallness of thought, that closes in, that builds up barriers between peoples and has nothing to do with the country we should be building. We need to start looking forward. Not to backwards, failed and atrocious ideas. |
Date | 16:52:13, October 26, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Nationalism hasn't failed on the contrary it is gaining ground in the political scenario. On the contrary Socialism and all Marxist ideologies lost their battle of ideas and now they are trying to portray themselves as 'new' with their pro multi cultural ideas. These ideas are eroding whole nations and nationalism is there as the antithesis for this catastrophe. Socialist and Liberals must be ashamed of what they are doing against nation-states. You are the ideology of failure promoting incompetence and laziness |
Date | 19:36:46, October 26, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Nationalism is a failed 20thcentury idea and if you deny this simple fact you are doing so at your own risk. Since the abandonment of "Bretton Woods system" that globalisation has been out in full force in one form or another. Walls have come down, wars are statistically less frequent, and democracy is prevailing. Liberalism and democracy on a global scale have only just begun gaining global prominence. Not that it concerns me as a Liberal, but Socialism has consolidated it's adaptation to the times (and quite well) in the form of social-democracy. Nationalists however still belong in asylums, or like Mussolini's... hanging at the end of ropes. |
Date | 21:16:22, October 26, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Nationalist parties still exist and you can note them all around the world gaining ground in politics. Globalisation is happening because it is being imposed by international laws and organisations such as the UNHCR. Wars are still going on - Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran (Conflict), Palestine v Israel, N Korea (almost war), Serbia, Cecenia, South Africa (ongoing civil wars). Do you want me to continue..... "Nationalists however still belong in asylums, or like Mussolini's... hanging at the end of ropes" - THIS IS THE RESULT OF MARXISM THAT REVOLTED IN ITALY - If you want more info. on Marxism ask the Russians under the soviet regime |
Date | 02:44:50, October 27, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Wars have statistically decreased. Violence on a global scale, internal agression and external aggression has also decreased since the beginning of the spread of democracy after world war II and particularly after the end of cold war. Read, Francis Fukuyama's, The End of History and The Last Man Nationalist parties still exist but they aren't gaining ground any more than, Stalinism is making a comeback or the North Korean Juche economic system works. And you're saying that Mussolini was a Marxist??? Are you insane? Or are you trying to say that he was killed by anti-fascist marxists? If so... to that I'll respond: So what? The capitulation of Hitler's 3rd Reich was also at the hands of communists.... Tyrants always meet bloody deaths. Should it matter who kills them? Sic semper tyrannis... Death always unto tyrants. |
Date | 18:19:12, October 29, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | I guess your statistics are wrong wars are differnet. Today it is unlikely to see an open war like the old days. The cold war wasn't the fault of Fascism. For your historical info. it was a war between Cpitalist Amerika and the Soviets. Nationalist parties are gaining ground in most European Countries. Let me give you an example Alleanza Nazzionale - Italy Hider's Party - Austria Nationalist Party - Malta (25 years in government) etc. etc. .... Mussollini was KILLED by the Marxists that's what i was trying to say. |
Date | 18:49:11, October 29, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | I never said that the cold war was the fault of Fascism. What I said is that democracy (which is directly opposite to mainstream nationalism and fascism) has been growing all over the globe after the 2nd world war and particularly after the end of the cold war. Nationalism isn't growing. The nations you've mentioned are becoming increasingly internationalists, particularly when you compare their current state with their odious rulers of the 20th century. |
Date | 19:01:04, October 29, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | The Social Liberal Party would like to DEMAND from the two reactionary parties who voted in favour of this bill to present a LOGICAL explanation to the statement: "Only a national can act for the benefit of his / her nation." How can this be so? There is no possible act, classified as beneficial for the nation, that cannot be performed by anyone regardless of his origin. There is no legal justification to deny nationality for legal immigrants. This is without precedent even dating back to prehistoric times. The Social Liberal Party would also like to manifest it's total outrage and indignation that the Conservative Party has chosen to approve this despicable and grotesque bill. While we may still agree on issues from time to time, we will refuse to formally cooperate with The Conservative Party in the future, debating bills or creating a coalition government, unless they review their inhumane stance on this particular issue. |
Date | 22:07:54, October 29, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | We would like to draw the attention of the SLP on what is going on in France this week. Second generation nationals with Afro origing are burning Paris. France is becomming like Hell. This bill is preventing that sort of situation. |
Date | 22:11:50, October 29, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | To answer you previous question. Yes, traditional nationalism is evolving. And I m glad you metioned internationalism cause this show how this ideology isn't diminshing like Marxism but it's evolving. Traditional Nationalism is evolving into a Pan-European Nationalism. This is an ideology which never dies cause it's an evolutionary ideology |
Date | 03:15:50, October 30, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | It never dies because it is a mental disorder. As Einstein put it. Nationalism is the measles of mankind. Would the Partito Nazionale care to explain on how NOT granting nationality to immigrants would prevent them from recurring to violence? It is a simple question really. To which there is no answer. If anything it augments their marginalisation. People recur to violence when their living conditions are pitiful. This applies to any people, any race, any nationality and any century in history. |
Date | 08:14:09, October 30, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Your fist statement is a complete farse. You are quoting a jew, against the nation because they don't have one. Jews the cancer of society, The Partito Nazzionale will prevent violence from immigrants because they will be deported to their country, and if they use violence as they are used to they destroy their nation and not ours. Violent behaviour is dependent on race, and ethnicity. Europeans created civilization obviously there are exceptions but not the overwelming majority. Afros in Europe segregate themselves and they do not mix into mainstream culture. |
Date | 20:06:29, October 30, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Your antisemitic post is being reported to the moderators. |
Date | 20:09:43, October 30, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | I hope the Conservative Party can now understand what it was supporting by passing this law. Racism, Racialism, anti-semitism and bigotry. |
Date | 08:14:30, October 31, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | I'm sorry if i hurt your feelings. Wasn't my intention. Please let me draw your attention that on these comments "Sic semper tyrannis... Death always unto tyrants." - Hatefull comment "Nationalists however still belong in asylums, or like Mussolini's... hanging at the end of ropes." - Another Hatfull Comment But i didn't report you cause i am not a baby and i m not a looser like you who was going to quit the game because you lost the election |
Date | 08:26:14, October 31, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | I'm sorry if i hurt your feelings. Wasn't my intention. Please let me draw your attention that on these comments "Sic semper tyrannis... Death always unto tyrants." - Hatefull comment "Nationalists however still belong in asylums, or like Mussolini's... hanging at the end of ropes." - Another Hatfull Comment But i didn't report you cause i am not a baby and i m not a looser like you who was going to quit the game because you lost the election |
Date | 10:31:37, October 31, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | "Fascist, eugenic, rhetoric" |
Date | 12:31:24, October 31, 2006 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Wishing the death of tyranny is a natural human response to when one's freedom is lost. It is enshrined in legislation all over the civilized world. Your racism and religious based prejudice on the other hand is totally unacceptable and it was reported. If you're going to be deeply offensive to me and others who are playing this game you must be brought to bare the consequences for your actions. |
Date | 14:33:37, October 31, 2006 CET | From | Partito Nazionale | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | So be it. I refrain to talk to the SLP any more. We boycott this party. GROW UP |
Date | 23:38:57, October 31, 2006 CET | From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Government policy concerning granting nationality |
Message | Partito Nazionale, calm down, and make sure any racist remarks are in character - if they're make out of character you're on delicate ground. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||
yes |
Total Seats: 197 | ||
no |
Total Seats: 103 | ||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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