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Bill: Education Reform

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Imperial Conservative Party

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2075

Description^[?]:

We wish to allow privately funded education to exist alongside that of the state. All Endralonians will pay for the public system, but those who wish to opt out may do ... leaving more resources for those who remain. The private sector will be non-profit only, issue a fixed proportion of free bursaries, and will be tightly monitored for standards.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change The regulation of higher education.

Old value:: The government does not allow private higher education institutions.

Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.

Proposed: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.

Article 2

Proposal^[?] to change The education system.

Old value:: Education is entirely public and free; private schools are banned.

Current: Education is entirely public and free; private schools are banned.

Proposed: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.

Article 3

Proposal^[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.

Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.

Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.

Proposed: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	16:20:48, July 03, 2005 CET
From	Imperial Conservative Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	When I put this up last session, I let any religion start a school. But on second thoughts, "recognised religions" might be a better idea. Recognition comes from a certain number or concentration of followers, and agreement to the rights of children.

Date	16:32:59, July 03, 2005 CET
From	Patriotic Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	Why should we have "nationally set standards"? Universities can set their own standards best. This is a step forward but not enough for me :)

Date	16:46:05, July 03, 2005 CET
From	Imperial Conservative Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	Without standards we could end up with propaganda camps being credited as universities! The standards aren't to pull down, but to make sure there's a minimum level of transparency and scientific vigour to an institution's courses.

Date	17:00:27, July 03, 2005 CET
From	Patriotic Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	Well, let them call themselves whatever they want, people will anyway choose the best universities for the price they can afford.

Date	23:11:53, July 03, 2005 CET
From	Communist Party of Endralon
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	Yeah, we don't need standards - let's have private universities like that one in the US which recently gave an online degree to a dog! [/sarcasm] (and it's true that one "private university" in the US recently gave an online degree to a dog - it fell into a trap set up by an NGO that wanted to prove just how worthless online degrees are)

Date	23:13:55, July 03, 2005 CET
From	Communist Party of Endralon
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	And notice the part in PLP's comment about "the price they can afford". I've already explained how private education leads to social stratification.

Date	00:03:27, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Patriotic Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	Well, when you've got free higher education you've got loads of people studying useless majors. The most tallented should study (if they're poor scholarship programs are the answer) and the less tallented should go to work, of course it's all their choice. All the best universities are private and 8 out of the top ten are in the US. I really don't care if a dog gets a degree. Do you think some online degree or a Yale/Harvard degree is the one that is really respected?

Date	00:04:25, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Patriotic Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	But I may support this anyway, as it's still a step forward.

Date	00:24:00, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Communist Party of Endralon
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	Scholarships or not, it's still much easier for rich kids to get into good private schools or universities. VERY few schools operate a "need blind" admission policy - most will take your wealth into account when they decide whether to admit you. And that discriminates in favour of rich kids, giving them an unfair advantage over poor kids. Taken to its logical conclusion, such a system would mean that the kids of the rich always stay rich and the kids of the poor always stay poor. Welcome to feudalism.

Date	00:39:10, July 04, 2005 CET
From	Patriotic Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Education Reform
Message	No, this is just natural selection. Even with free higher education it's the wealthier kids that get mostly amited - they have more cash for books, tutors etc. Now I don't see why the poor should pay the taxes for this.

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