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Bill: Religious School Bill (Amended)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2077
Description[?]:
| This bill keeps with the current law of allowing regulated religious schools. This bill differs as it will only allow religious schools the option of prayer during school hours. This does not apply to public or non-religious private schools, here prayer is still prohibited by law. This bill does not change the current law for religious school requirements. Any religion may operate a school but is strictly regulated by the government. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:16:19, July 05, 2005 CET |
From |  United Blobs | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | The trouble is what is recognised v. what isn't. We are under the view that as religious schools are tightly regulated then cult religions could not pass the strict rules whereas more moderate religions are permitted. We have to say no to this. |
| Date | 18:28:00, July 05, 2005 CET |
From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | Regulation applies to the education and safety standards of the school rather then rules for who can operate a school. The government now has no legal right to prevent a "fringe" religion from operating a school as long as they meet the education standards. As for determining which religions are approved , I'm sure there can be some basic criteria to apply. |
| Date | 18:37:36, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | Well if a buddist monk wanted to open school that would be considered a recognised religion. On the other hand if someone claiming to be a high priest from the "Children of god" sect wanted approval for a school, but could not prove the validity of his religion then that would be considered an unrecognised religion and he would be denied. As is stands now he would be allowed to open a school. |
| Date | 18:46:31, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | Unless they could prove that they were going to open a school that would give a high quality of education to its pupils then no. Otherwise they should be allowed to set up and see how many parents are willing to pay for their children to go there.
PS: I think that it might be worth mentioning that "teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden." |
| Date | 18:56:48, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | There is no way that I will support a Bill which discriminates against all religions and religious belief, and does not make this clear in the proposal. Yes, I am against all religious schools altogether, but this is unequal and unfair. |
| Date | 18:57:43, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | "teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden." I understand, so if that is the case why are religious schools allowed to operate? Doesn't that only appy to public schools? And as for proving if they are capable of giving a high quality education don't forget they are regulated and they have to meet mininum standards. Do you believe any religion should be allowed to open a school irregardless of their lacking credentials or their questionable practices? |
| Date | 19:01:02, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | I think you'll find all religions have 'Questionalbe Practices'; that is just someone's point of view. If you at least want to keep the Bill for allowing religious schools, I would expect you to be indiscriminatory about it. |
| Date | 19:01:03, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | This bill doesn't discriminate against all religious beliefs or any group. It just prevents non religious groups from using the current law by claiming to be a religion and setting up a school. |
| Date | 19:10:12, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | Why should someone's own beliefs have to 'claim' to be a religion? As far as i'm aware ther eisn't a list of what is a 'real' religion. So therefore, it is extremely discriminatory. |
| Date | 19:10:18, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | But it also discriminates against religions that the government does not think are "recognised religions". Theoretically yourproposal could be used to ban religions for no good reason. I also fail to see how it lets non-religious groups set up schools by pretending to be religions as they can do that openly and still under the same regulations as religious schools!
The law on teacher-led prayers actually applies to all schools. It would be interesting to see a religious school without prayers but I'm not going to repeal it. |
| Date | 19:18:20, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | I have to agree with my honourable colleagues over this one. How can we allow one religion to set up a school and yet block others?
And the bill does discriminate against religious beliefs. We are not religious, however at no point would it be prudent for us to announce that we favour one religion over another. For what reason would we do such a thing?
The government should do what it does best, regulate the education system to guarentee that standards are met, we should not start meddling in the religion of whatever groups unless those religions do direct harm to the populace (e.g. ritual sacrifice). We would happily have a tightening of the law, but we would not support this proposal as there is no reason why the government should start telling people what religions are allowed and what aren't.
If you want to believe, and you wish to teach your children to believe fine. As long as it does not harm their education then it is none of the governments business. |
| Date | 19:30:16, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | No it isn't it actually. A complete ban is discriminating against religion in general; this is against some over others and singles those out specifically. |
| Date | 19:30:33, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | WSSP- I agree, but if it's none of our buisness then why are we preventing religious schools from saying a prayer during school? It is also none of our buisness if a white supremacy group calling itself "the church of god" sets up a school as long as they meet the requirements? That's what I'm trying to point out here. |
| Date | 19:48:18, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | I believe part of this is that teacher-led prayers were in the Jly 2035 group of bills (i.e. one of the first group ever passed) and this bill is now. Personally I prefer the current one but I would like to see the Hobrazian people's view on this. |
| Date | 20:02:42, July 05, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | I looked up those early bills and there seemed to be limited proposals at that stage but they all passed very easily. I'm not sure I want repeal the prayer banning law but it seems a little unfair for those who attend a religious school and they can't pray with their teachers. |
| Date | 13:42:28, July 06, 2005 CET |
From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | Though we are aversed to repealing the teacher-led prayer in schools law, we will most likely support this due to the wording of the description. |
| Date | 16:30:29, July 06, 2005 CET |
From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Religious School Bill (Amended) | | Message | This bill appears fair, as it would make little sense to forbid religious schools from having teacher-led prayers. For the sake of legislative consistency we will support this bill, although our stance against the principle of religious schools remains the same. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 309 |
| no | Total Seats: 51 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 40 |
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