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Bill: Foreign Policy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2323
Description[?]:
| We have received communications from the Republic of Hobrazia, asking to enter into a defense agreement with the allied nations to defend against Delarian agression. The Protectorate Party moves that we do not enter into any large defence treaties at this time, however we will move it to a vote to permit others to offer their opinions. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:44:25, November 26, 2006 CET | From | Leftsocialist Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | (OOC: could you link to the threads?) |
| Date | 23:48:12, November 26, 2006 CET | From | Leftsocialist Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | It seems as if these deltarians are a rather unpleasant lot but LP needs some time to gather information about them and Hobrazia. We would also be interested in hearing the details of the proposed agreement. |
| Date | 15:37:34, November 28, 2006 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | some links: http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7691&mforum=particracy http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7692&mforum=particracy http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7447&mforum=particracy Probably more but can't find them now, the forums have gotten pretty messy. In a nutshell the Delarians have slowly begun taking control of other nations and the Republic of Hobrazia has asked us if we are interested in forming a treaty to defend one another from such an assault. Delaria's method involves an infultration of a nation by members of Delarian political parties who then work to gain a super majority and take control of a nation's government. |
| Date | 16:30:44, November 28, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | We are talking on behalf of the Hobrazian Government. We would very much like to initiate talks with you nation to discuss the situation in our region and concerning the Deltarian occupation of Darnussia together with the Axis in Luthori. They are talking of a blockade which would harm our region to the fullest and maybe even war which would tear this region apart for centuries (we all know the deltarian warmethods). We therefore suggest that government officials start talks on the issue to form a united front against the deltarian to make a political pressure. In the end maybe defensive force to rid the region for deltarian occupation. We believe that this is only a matter of time before were in a worst case scenarion and we urge our malivian friends to act quickly. Martin Holt (HHP), spokeperson for the Hobrazian Parliament and the Hobrazian Government on this issue. |
| Date | 13:29:20, November 29, 2006 CET | From | Leftsocialist Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | We support some form of defense agreement to repel the deltarian agression. Their behaviour is wholely unacceptable and tomorrow it may be Malivia that is threatened. In short: The Lefsocialist Party supports an alliance. |
| Date | 05:08:41, November 30, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | There is a standing defense treaty that Hobrazia founded, the Trade and Defence Entente (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=161). However, we could draft a more intimate treaty if you desire. TG me some ideas and we can work from there if you guys are interested. |
| Date | 16:10:44, December 01, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | WE move that this bill be tabled until our new cabinet is in place and our government can decide on the future path of our nation. |
| Date | 16:16:04, December 01, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | Malivia has had a long standing policy of avoiding wide spread defence treaties for fear of being pulled into a war which does not impact our nation. Our military is not strong enough to divide it by protecting other nations. The current government's opinion is that we continue this policy and not sign on to the Trade and Defence Entente. Though the Delaria's are a empire to watch, we do not view them as a current threat to Malivia's independance. |
| Date | 00:18:30, December 02, 2006 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | We are a little confused as to what a Yes or No vote means here: voting yes votes that we not enter into the defense pact, and voting no votes that we ... ? Regarding Delaria, their empire's polices far surpass any measure of despicable; their empire not only allows slaves, but sells them openly and shamelessly. The use of aggression, political and military, for the vain glorious and unprovoked conquest of independent nations cannot be tolerate. Equally, though, what do we gain by protecting Hobrazia if Maliva is not a target of the Delerians? We vote not to enter into this treaty until we have convened a new cabinet and can open discussion with the Hobrazians. |
| Date | 00:20:07, December 02, 2006 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | We have also noted that the treaty involves a free trade provision. This is entirely inappropriate in a defense pact, and we will oppose any such 'free trade' measures that are not explicitly and deliberately vetted by the jawatankuasa. |
| Date | 02:56:36, December 02, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | WE realized we could not add the treaty to this bill, thus a vote in favor mearly is a vote indicating a desire to enter into the treaty. This would then be an action at a later date. |
| Date | 02:58:18, December 02, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | OOC: mostly I just wanted to end this bill's life as it serves no further purpose, since a treaty cannot be added to it. This way it is not deleted and lost. |
| Date | 03:00:12, December 02, 2006 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Foreign Policy |
| Message | That's a no vote is a vote wishing to consider such a treaty. A yes is against such a treaty. Our previous post had it backwards. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 109 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 54 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 32 |
| Random fact: Treaties will be eligible for deletion if they are more than 50 in-game years old and have no currently ratified members. |
| Random quote: "Politics is perhaps the only profession for which no preparation is thought necessary." - Robert Louis Stevenson |