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Bill: Motto: change it or correct it?
Details
Submitted by[?]: Adam Smith Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2080
Description[?]:
We currently have a motto that is supposed to mean: "I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head" However it does not. There is an error in the Latin. Dabris should be dabis, dabris has no meaning whatsoever. So we should at least correct this motto. However if we are to change the motto we should consider overhauling it completely. We, as a party, are not too enamoured of the impolication that our nation is one of armed robbers. If we wish to stay with latin then perhaps: Quot homines tot sententiae: suo' quoique mos which means "There are as many opinions as there are people: each has his own correct way". Or if we prefer a touch of humour: No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney. We ask for other suggestions. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabris, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam.
Current: No Foe I Fear, No Friend I Force
Proposed: If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing baldly
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 00:24:46, July 07, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | How about "A Nation Is But A Collection Of Citzens"? And as for latin, I never toutch the stuff, you'll have to translate on your own. |
Date | 00:49:47, July 07, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | We are of the opinion that a dead language should not be used, use the language of the people. |
Date | 01:29:25, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | OK. So let us use Mandarin Chinese, No actually. I too prefer English. So suggestions. The MLT Party suggestion would actually be fine with me, so I will change the proposal to that for now. |
Date | 02:52:09, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | The MLTP's suggestion reeks of the agenda of the Left to turn Lodamun into a vile commune of socialist quagmires. Also, I hate baloney. |
Date | 02:56:23, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | On first reading the MLTP's suggestion, that was our impression, but then thinking about it, it is in complete opposition to the communist principles of the society being more important than the individual. What it says is that the society is no more than the individuals which is a libertarian position that we are quite happy with. |
Date | 04:44:33, July 07, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | How about "Lodamun: Proudly taking away your rights since 2037!" |
Date | 07:18:52, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Sounds right for the Left. :D |
Date | 22:49:06, July 07, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Oh, come on. I like my proposal. It's neutral enough. Smithy liked it. Didn't you smithy. Take that, you mean party I can never spell. |
Date | 01:33:00, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | I was wondering a little when anyone would ask what a Citzen (sic) was? I will correct it. |
Date | 21:45:23, July 08, 2005 CET | From | MLTP (The Resistance) | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | What can I say. The trotskyites can't spell. |
Date | 15:32:58, July 11, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | I actually like it... While I love the latin language...I think the new motto is a good way to state one of TiC's core beliefs, that no group of citizens may do anything that would be immoral(asf far as infringing upon other's rights) for an individual citizen to do. I believe that I will vote for... |
Date | 15:58:19, July 11, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Does the Amystian Council wish to suggest an alternative, as you are the only party dissenting at the moment. |
Date | 17:07:23, July 11, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Actually, i believe the CCF-Greens will dissent. A nation also includes its communities, its immigrants and refugees who do not hold citizenship, its animal populations, its earth and water and air. We far prefer the baloney suggestion. Alternatively, we advance our usual suggestions: "Flock together," or if Latin is preferred, "Patria Tuum Est" (the country is yours). |
Date | 19:46:53, July 11, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | I'd rather leave it as it is. Motto and anthem don't really matter to me and I see them as a place to joke around as opposed to the serious bills. :D |
Date | 20:21:32, July 11, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | @ CCF We refuse to be considered seagulls or very bad 1970s wallpaper 0and the country is not ours, it belongs to the people. @ AC: If we are to leave it as it is, can't we at least correct the latin? So if we go for laughs, how about: "If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing badly" |
Date | 22:19:39, July 11, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Motto directed at the people: the country is yours. The country belongs to the people. Shouldn't that be "If a thing is worth doing, it is worth doing baldly"? |
Date | 00:21:33, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Ok Then : Let us baldly go forth. |
Date | 06:30:32, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Perhaps: "Mostly Harmless" Had to make a hitchhikers reference... |
Date | 06:48:00, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | President-Councillor Damien Vrylar does not appreciate the references to his lack of hair. The player behind the AC does. |
Date | 14:24:35, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | As it appears that three of the largest parties approve (directly or indirectly) of this, we will move it to vote. |
Date | 16:57:12, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | As usual the Equi-trista party does not express an opinion, and just votes against something with no explanation as to why. This was in debate for more than six years without a single comment from them. Would they care now to indicate why they wish to retain a misspelled elitist motto that promotes highway robbery? |
Date | 18:43:06, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | They don't want your mottos. They don't want your anthems. They don't want your national sports. It's a very consistent position. |
Date | 18:44:34, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | They are consistent. Do they realise however that this motto is yours not mine. |
Date | 19:38:38, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Can a Libertarian government have a national motto? |
Date | 19:39:01, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | thats would also make a good motto |
Date | 19:44:26, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | To explain: I just dont like the connotations of this proposed motto... DSP, do we have a libertarian government? |
Date | 19:49:53, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Out of curiosity, what connotations would those be? |
Date | 20:23:26, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | No, but we do have a number of libertarian Parties in power. *hopes nobody remembers his former name* |
Date | 20:24:14, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | and the socialists can't capitalize for beans either. |
Date | 20:27:58, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | If you insert "probably" between "is" and "worth" I'll support it. "If a thing is worth doing, it is probably worth doing baldly" |
Date | 20:39:29, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | If you insert "probably" between "is" and "worth" I'll support it. "If a thing is worth doing, it is probably worth doing baldly" |
Date | 23:34:03, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | *I still have the message you sent - lsp* ((Once something is in voting it can no longer be changed, so to inser 'probably' would mean scrapping this and starting over.)) Is one word really worth another 8 months of debate DSP? |
Date | 03:12:10, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | At the moment this is a lost cause. The noes have 33% of the supposed parliament, but due to the inactivity of SAP the yeas can not reach 66% |
Date | 03:50:46, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Fine. But you owe me a "probably". |
Date | 07:18:04, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | Connotations: I enjoy taking a sense of pride in all that I do. Therefore, I dont want to support doing something badly if it is done at all. 300/448 > 2/3 This bill passes |
Date | 09:12:42, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Chorus of Amyst | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | TiC - Baldly. Not badly. Baldly like lacking in hair. :D |
Date | 15:41:50, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Motto: change it or correct it? |
Message | @DSP as when possible I will include a "probably" in another bill. Most likely one on the National anthem or some such. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||
yes |
Total Seats: 329 | |||||
no |
Total Seats: 119 | |||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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