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Bill: Withdrawing From The Allied Nations
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2323
Description[?]:
| "The Allied Nations organisation is weak and ineffectual, they were unable to protect us from invasion and so we can only assume they are unable to protect anyone from anything. As such we propose leaving this pitiful organisation of ditherers and weaklings." -- Moshe Ne'eman |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Allied Nations.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:39:37, November 28, 2006 CET | From | Habonim Dror | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | Indeed. |
| Date | 07:46:51, November 28, 2006 CET | From | Judean People's Front | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | We originally joined to protect the jewish people from Deltarian oppression. the Allied nations seems to have failed utterly in our defense |
| Date | 07:53:28, November 28, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | The Allied Nations did not fail. There is no official declared war ongoing between your nation and Pontesi. Therefore there can't any official counter measures against Pontesi too. As your nation has a sitting member in the AN it would be interesting to know why this member never ever asked for under_the_hand support to bolster your positions. ==== ooc: Beside this, since Beiteynu was in the AN we tried to implement the players of this nation and also to work with the RP stuff between you and Pontesi. But it is hard to do such stuff when noone answers. Well, but this was before a bunch of new players arrived this nation. |
| Date | 11:19:26, November 28, 2006 CET | From |  Ma'avak | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | "why this member never ever asked for under_the_hand support to bolster your positions" http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=120760&mforum=particracy#120760 |
| Date | 00:47:01, November 30, 2006 CET | From |  One Nation Conservative Party | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | The allied nations could not act because it was this parliament that ceded the territories to the Commonwealth, it would be undemocratic if they were to attack Pontesi for simply following the due course of law. |
| Date | 01:04:42, November 30, 2006 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | "What parliament do you talk of? The Amsaék Hyéonlrnék Isràkai got power through a military invasion that capitalised on the collapse of order in the Third Jewish Homeland. They proceeded to ban all other political parties and rule through their Krs'kaisrne junta and hand away land that was never theirs to people that had no right to even cross the Xanduley border. This was supported by the Pontesian government by both political and military means. The use of military force to take the nation and the use of military force to maintain power, as they were instigated by a foreign power, constituted an effective declaration of war. Thus the Allied Nations should have acted appropriately. In any case we would also like to bring to this discussion the fact that Deltaria, ever the enemy of the Allied Nations, has ratified the treaty in an attempt to ridicule it. This can only result in one of two outcomes. The Deltarian Empire is now a fully fledged member of the Allied Nations and we are bound to help them accordingly in military conflict, if this is the case then we push for withdrawel on the grounds of refusing to work with a fascist state. The alternative is that this ratification is deemed illegal in which case they have successfully made a mockery of the organisation by being able to ratify it and we push for withdrawel on the grounds that the treaty is now worthless. Either way we are still unconvinced of the merits of this organisation as well as its capacity to offer any form of effective support. We propose ridding our foreign office of it and instead seeking new agreements with other states." -- Moshe Ne'eman |
| Date | 09:25:06, November 30, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | Moshe Ne'eman, you can't deny the problems the former government of this nations was making her own allies. As it is written in our constitutions we don't deal with inner matters of our member nations. Beiteynu's office in the Allie Nations was not used for decades and not all sources are always available in public. Instead to blaim the AN it would be wiser and, by far, more productive to bring your AN office back to life. We understand , and please correct us if we are wrong, this discussion as a request for direct and fast help of the AN to support the civil work of Beiteynu to rebuild the region as well as to help this nation to protect her sovereignity over her territories and borders. Regards Albrecht von Moltke, Speaker Allied Nations. |
| Date | 20:54:45, December 01, 2006 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | "We are to push ahead with withdrawel immediately. Let us examine the member states. * Dorvik are due to leave the treaty. * Whilst the Selucian Empire appears to be going through a change let us not forget the years of anti-semitism perpretrated by the VBS party, what is to say they would ever help us? * The membership of Deltaria has made a mockery of the organisation. * Thus our only true allies in the treaty are Hobrazia, Aloria and Aldegar. We do not believe the Allied Nations can protect us anymore and furthermore we do not believe it commands any respect on the world stage. We vote for immediate departure and the seeking of new military allies." -- Daniel Shkolnik |
| Date | 23:41:58, December 01, 2006 CET | From | Judean People's Front | To | Debating the Withdrawing From The Allied Nations |
| Message | DISCLOSURE FROM JEWCASTLE, TADRAKI Sadly, I happen to agree with the findings of Shkolnik and the Ma'avak delegation. The Original Purpose of the Allied Nations was to counter the Totalitarian Deltarian Millitary Agression. Then Diplomat SweetMofugginJ, abandoned the organization after it seemed the (then peaceful) deltarian delegation failed at reforming deltaria. Coupled with countless other military and diplomatic failures, Our current General Jay decided to ignore the seemingly useless organization. We have been invaded by Pontesi, Selucia, Deltaria; and threatened by countless other countries. We have handled our own countless times, without the useless Allied nations assistance. I'm not even going to mention the predominant Anti-Semitic mentality of the Majatran Majority. Im sorry, the only way that I could consider remaining in the Allied nations is if the Charter was reformed/rewritten, because in its current state, the Allied Nations has failed. As the principal and original impetus for the Beiteynu joining of AN, I see now that the organization is no longer what it once was. -General SweetMoFugginJ Guerrila Warrior in the Tadraki Strip |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 336 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 55 |
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