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Bill: Secular Education Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: AM Populist Social Democrats
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2328
Description[?]:
| Whereas, We need to be certain that students are not indoctrinated with provably false religious teachings, We hereby propose that religious schools and home schooling be banned. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education for children under adult age.
Old value:: Education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted.
Current: Education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted.
Proposed: Education is compulsory and has to happen at school.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, with no regulations.
Current: Religious schools are not allowed.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:52:54, December 11, 2006 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Secular Education Act |
| Message | Whilst we cen see benefits to Articles 2 and 3, it is unlikely to be the will of all. As long as religion isn't used to excuse anti-social behaviours, and keeps itself to itself, we have no real issues. Article 1 is impossible to support however. Very few Religious teachings are provably false, and Home schooling is not always (or indeed often) religious in nature. |
| Date | 21:51:36, December 11, 2006 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Secular Education Act |
| Message | Religious teachings such as creationism are provably false. It is also the case that most puritanical morality comes from religious teachings. While we might have been wise to split the bill, our strongest problem is home schooling. When a child is home schooled by poorly qualified parents, it is tantamount to child abuse. As long as charter schools exit-- and we support them-- there will be a reasonable alternative to the regular public education system. |
| Date | 01:14:37, December 12, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Secular Education Act |
| Message | How can you possibly disprove a faith-based arguement? There is not a shred of substantiative evidence that cannot be swept aside with the statement ' it is because God made it so'. Whilst we agree that Religion halps to form our societies morals, we feel it excessive to suggest that all religious schooling is puritanical. Home schooling may b a problem that requires attention, but not wholesale destruction. |
| Date | 01:39:40, December 12, 2006 CET | From | MMP (Maoist People's Party) | To | Debating the Secular Education Act |
| Message | We find the LRP's arguments amusing at best. Of course if one chooses to take a radical skeptics approach than of course one can not dispprove the arugments of religion due to lack of evidence. Clearly any statement regarding the ontology of anything can be called into question, whether or not the LRP is a party that exists, whether it is engaging in this debate, ect ect. Of course, any phenomenologist will simply bracket the question of ontology and move on to the actual substantive questions regarding religion, but the LRP isn't willing to do as much. Instead the party would rather see the infesting influence of religion continue to pollute the minds of the proletariat and keep them enslaved to their capitalists masters and clerical slave drivers. It forms a sheep mentality among the people, a slave mentality, ensuring that they remain one-dimensional beings who can only be consumers in the economic servtitude, never full human beings as is their true potential. The people of Likatonia deserve better, they deserve to have the yoke of oppression removed from their backs. We take solace in the fact that the master-slave relationship that the LRP seeks to impose alienates the master as much as the slave and that the system will collapse under its own weight according to the historical imperative. |
| Date | 19:22:52, December 12, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Secular Education Act |
| Message | With respect, the MMP are flawed in their reasoning. Religious teachings, are, by their nature, faith based arguments, and thus irrefutable, when faith is present, and often little more than credulous flim-flammery if not. The Likaton Reform Party, as an organisation, is not anti-religion, however we believe that, at this time, it has no place in legislature, no place in the justice system, and no place in education. Regardless of our position, thepoints that matter in this debate, and those which the MMP continue to side step, are thus: 1. No direct link between home schooling and religious education has been shown. 2. There is no evidence presented that home schooling is poor per se, and that any issues cannot be resolved via regulation rather than prohibition 3. There is no provision in this bill for those for whom home schooling is the only realistic option, due to disability, of just plain geography With regards to religion in schools, this should be kept to objective studies of belief, rather than indoctrination, and forced prayer in any school is wrong, however the key point, Article 1, means that the rest of the Bill cannot be allowed to pass. We appreciate that the MMP are young, and that naivety often is the bedfellow of youth, and so, in the spirit of harmony, humbly suggest the Bill be abondoned, and re-drafted without the first Article, if LRP support is wanted, and we will review the matter further. |
| Date | 22:45:26, December 12, 2006 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Secular Education Act |
| Message | We shall do just that, and re-draft the bill without the elimination of home schooling. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 47 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 253 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 51 |
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