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Bill: Open Communites Mean No Gates

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Submitted by^[?]: Leviathan Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2339

Description^[?]:

Gated communities are a form of economic segregation and are an absolute affront to the dignity of our citizens.

Proposal^[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.

Old value:: The private sector can set up gated communities.

Current: No gated communities are allowed.

Proposed: No gated communities are allowed.

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	01:22:13, January 03, 2007 CET
From	Malivia Democratic Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	No. People have the right to be exclusive in their living arrangement.

Date	04:36:37, January 03, 2007 CET
From	Protectorate Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	Although we detest them personally, we feel that private landowners should be free to establish their own communities.

Date	05:27:49, January 03, 2007 CET
From	Leviathan Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	People do not have the right to be 'exclusive' in other areas. We do not allow businesses to fire someone based on ethnicity or religion, but we will allow home owners to exclude someone based on those same traits? What the current law does is allow the fearful and intolerant to throw up walls around themselves and make their prejudices a matter of land policy. If suddenly Duntrekkers began building walled communities and throwing out Gerajans, would the PP be so quick to oppose this bill?

Date	17:16:54, January 03, 2007 CET
From	Malivia Democratic Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	If the LevP does not like gated communities, then the LevP does not have to join one.

Date	19:29:52, January 03, 2007 CET
From	Leviathan Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	Please, do make an effort to address our comments, not the simplified strawmen constructed by your own desire to avoid uncomfortable ideas. Our problem is not who joins gated communites, but who will not be allowed to join. An open society cannot exist while citizens can exclude others from something as basic and necessary as housing.

Date	23:56:02, January 03, 2007 CET
From	Protectorate Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	A gated community need not be based on race or ethnicity. We imagine the income would be the major dividing line. Yes there will be those who cannot afford to live in the community, however most likely they would not be living in the neighborhood anyhow. Permitting a gated community would instead restrict traffic to improve safety, and decrease crime for those in the community. If an individual wishes to devote their resources for this, we do not intend to stand in their way.

Date	04:50:47, January 04, 2007 CET
From	Leviathan Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	So what the PP is saying is that, not only do they support economic segregation, but they also admit that race and ethnicity may, and probably will, become a factor as well? Why is it that dividing people by income is an acceptable practice?

Date	15:10:47, January 04, 2007 CET
From	Protectorate Party
To	Debating the Open Communites Mean No Gates
Message	People spend money on what they wish to spend their money on. It is up to the government to work on making the income gap smaller and decrease the effectiveness of such practices by improving conditions for the less fortunate. Much has we have private healthcare which reduces the strain on our public system for those who wish to spend the money, gated communities reduce the effort of our police force and other public services for those who wish the added peace of mind. As we stated, perhaps not clearly enough, we do not think that race and ethnicity would be a factor, rather income will. Any overlap between income and race are issues which we must address separately. We would support a measure to insure that race cannot be a factor however we will not ban gated communities outright.

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